From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Thu Oct 1 22:00:50 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Joseph Loucek) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis v. P.standingi In-Reply-To: <650324.99009.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <948361.71525.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1237945921-1254430850=:71525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hhhhhheeeelllllloooooooo! =A0 Where is everybody?=A0 No chatter at all. =A0 I am looking for a taxonomic (dichotomous or otherwise) key to differentiat= e between Phelsuma m. grandis and P. standingi. =A0 Here's why: =A0 My graduate advisor is doing toepad research (and salamander population stu= dies - that's my thesis topic).=A0 He received=A0a shipment of Phelsuma bac= k in the Spring.=A0 I just recently went over to see the animals, and insta= ntly recognized that the animal dealer sent him a P.m. grandis and a P.m. ?= (maybe kochi, probably grandis) when he paid for standingi. =A0 Before he contacts the vendor, he wants to make sure that there isn't a cha= nce of the two animals in question being standingi.=A0 There is no doubt in= my mind that they are not standingi, but I can only intuitively tell him t= he differences, and that is based primarily on appearance.=A0 He and I both= recognize that there must be some key morphological differences between gr= andis and standingi - I just don't know them.=A0 All my books are buried in= a box in my basement during a VERY LONG TERM (too long, if you ask my wife= ) remodel. =A0 So again, the question is, does anyone have a key that will allows us to po= sitively identify these two animals by morphology (scale counts, toe pad di= fferences, etc.)? =A0 thanks =A0 Joe=0A=0A=0A --0-1237945921-1254430850=:71525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hhhhhheeeelllllloooooooo!
 
Where is everybody?  No chatter at all.
 
I am looking for a taxonomic (dichotomous or otherwise) key to differe= ntiate between Phelsuma m. grandis and P. standingi.
 
Here's why:
 
My graduate advisor is doing toepad research (and salamander populatio= n studies - that's my thesis topic).  He received a shipment of P= helsuma back in the Spring.  I just recently went over to see the anim= als, and instantly recognized that the animal dealer sent him a P.m. grandi= s and a P.m. ? (maybe kochi, probably grandis) when he paid for standingi.<= /DIV>
 
Before he contacts the vendor, he wants to make sure that there isn't = a chance of the two animals in question being standingi.  There is no = doubt in my mind that they are not standingi, but I can only intuitively te= ll him the differences, and that is based primarily on appearance.  He= and I both recognize that there must be some key morphological differences= between grandis and standingi - I just don't know them.  All my books= are buried in a box in my basement during a VERY LONG TERM (too long, if y= ou ask my wife) remodel.
 
So again, the question is, does anyone have a key that will allows us = to positively identify these two animals by morphology (scale counts, toe p= ad differences, etc.)?
 
thanks
 
Joe

=0A=0A --0-1237945921-1254430850=:71525-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Fri Oct 2 03:46:54 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Lyle Puente) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:46:54 -0400 Subject: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis v. P.standingi In-Reply-To: <948361.71525.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <948361.71525.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <326E907B-C7EB-43BC-87F2-3314EF1FF387@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_66i8Raqu/tx+LbTl1CW8gw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Joe, Good to see you are out there! I will look through my books, but I think a standard photo would do for such a severe mix up. I can scan you a field guide or what ever else I find tomorrow. Lyle Lyle Puente My Brothers Banned http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned On Oct 1, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Joseph Loucek wrote: Hhhhhheeeelllllloooooooo! Where is everybody? No chatter at all. I am looking for a taxonomic (dichotomous or otherwise) key to differentiate between Phelsuma m. grandis and P. standingi. Here's why: My graduate advisor is doing toepad research (and salamander population studies - that's my thesis topic). He received a shipment of Phelsuma back in the Spring. I just recently went over to see the animals, and instantly recognized that the animal dealer sent him a P.m. grandis and a P.m. ? (maybe kochi, probably grandis) when he paid for standingi. Before he contacts the vendor, he wants to make sure that there isn't a chance of the two animals in question being standingi. There is no doubt in my mind that they are not standingi, but I can only intuitively tell him the differences, and that is based primarily on appearance. He and I both recognize that there must be some key morphological differences between grandis and standingi - I just don't know them. All my books are buried in a box in my basement during a VERY LONG TERM (too long, if you ask my wife) remodel. So again, the question is, does anyone have a key that will allows us to positively identify these two animals by morphology (scale counts, toe pad differences, etc.)? thanks Joe --Boundary_(ID_66i8Raqu/tx+LbTl1CW8gw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Joe,
Good to see you are out there!
I will look through = my books, but I think a standard photo would do for such a severe mix = up.
I can scan you a field guide or what ever else I find = tomorrow.

Lyle


= http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com
http://www.myspace.com/My= BrothersBanned



=
On Oct 1, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Joseph Loucek = wrote:

Hhhhhheeeelllllloooooooo!
 
=
Where is everybody?  No chatter at all.
=
 
I am looking for a taxonomic (dichotomous or = otherwise) key to differentiate between Phelsuma m. grandis and P. = standingi.
 
Here's why:
=
 
My graduate advisor is doing toepad research (and = salamander population studies - that's my thesis topic).  He = received a shipment of Phelsuma back in the Spring.  I just = recently went over to see the animals, and instantly recognized that the = animal dealer sent him a P.m. grandis and a P.m. ? (maybe kochi, = probably grandis) when he paid for standingi.
 
=
Before he contacts the vendor, he wants to make sure that there = isn't a chance of the two animals in question being standingi.  = There is no doubt in my mind that they are not standingi, but I can only = intuitively tell him the differences, and that is based primarily on = appearance.  He and I both recognize that there must be some key = morphological differences between grandis and standingi - I just don't = know them.  All my books are buried in a box in my basement during = a VERY LONG TERM (too long, if you ask my wife) remodel.
=
 
So again, the question is, does anyone have a key = that will allows us to positively identify these two animals by = morphology (scale counts, toe pad differences, etc.)?
=
 
thanks
 
=
Joe

=

= --Boundary_(ID_66i8Raqu/tx+LbTl1CW8gw)-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Fri Oct 2 19:43:55 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (J. Hodam) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis v. P.standingi In-Reply-To: <948361.71525.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <249744.78084.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Joe, I don't know if you remember me, we traded offspring a good 10-15 years bac= k. It's good to see you're still active and going professional (I'm not, b= ut if things ever settle down again I wouldn't mind getting back into breed= ing). I don't have Methuen & Hewitt's original description, but here's a link to = a review Loveridge did in 1942 with original type species description for P= . standingi. http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/name/Phelsuma_standingi Hope this helps, Cheers, Jason ________________________________________________________________________ "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work" - Thomas E= dison ________________________________________________________________________ --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Joseph Loucek wrote: > From: Joseph Loucek > Subject: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.gra= ndis v. P.standingi > To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 5:00 PM > Hhhhhheeeelllllloooooooo! > =A0 > Where is everybody?=A0 No chatter at all. > =A0 > I am looking for a taxonomic (dichotomous or > otherwise) key to differentiate between Phelsuma m. grandis > and P. standingi. > =A0 > Here's why: > =A0 > My graduate advisor is doing toepad research (and > salamander population studies - that's my thesis > topic).=A0 He received=A0a shipment of Phelsuma back > in the Spring.=A0 I just recently went over to see the > animals, and instantly recognized that the animal dealer > sent him a P.m. grandis and a P.m. ? (maybe kochi, probably > grandis) when he paid for standingi. > =A0 > Before he contacts the vendor, he wants to make sure > that there isn't a chance of the two animals in question > being standingi.=A0 There is no doubt in my mind that > they are not standingi, but I can only intuitively tell him > the differences, and that is based primarily on > appearance.=A0 He and I both recognize that there must be > some key morphological differences between grandis and > standingi - I just don't know them.=A0 All my books > are buried in a box in my basement during a VERY LONG TERM > (too long, if you ask my wife) remodel. > =A0 > So again, the question is, does anyone have a key that > will allows us to positively identify these two animals by > morphology (scale counts, toe pad differences, etc.)? > =A0 > thanks > =A0 > Joe >=20 >=20 > =0A=0A=0A From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Fri Oct 2 20:47:49 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:47:49 -0400 Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key Message-ID: <8CC11B05B1378F2-18A4-333F3@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> ----------MB_8CC11B05B183BB2_18A4_68E2E_webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, ?? I actually have the original description of Phelsuma standingi and can send you a picture of the page where it is described (I don't have a scanner), if you contact me off server. You could also try?contacting Chris Raxworthy at the American Museum of Natural History Herpetology Department or Miguel Vences and/or Franco Andreone (they both really have nice websites). There may be a key that I'm not aware of. Ron Van Heest ----------MB_8CC11B05B183BB2_18A4_68E2E_webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hello,
   I actually have the original description of Phelsuma standingi and can send you a picture of the page where it is described (I don't have a scanner), if you contact me off server. You could also try contacting Chris Raxworthy at the American Museum of Natural History Herpetology Department or Miguel Vences and/or Franco Andreone (they both really have nice websites). There may be a key that I'm not aware of.
 
Ron Van Heest
----------MB_8CC11B05B183BB2_18A4_68E2E_webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Oct 3 02:05:52 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Joseph Loucek) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis v. P.standingi In-Reply-To: <249744.78084.qm@web33708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157881.36047.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1091122383-1254531952=:36047 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Jason and Lyle - =A0 I would think that a photographic comparison would be sufficient to differe= ntiate the two, but my advisor has had dealings with this vendor before, an= d is afraid the vendor will call them two different locality morphs or something similar. =A0 I found the Harvard Bulletin at www.Archive.org.=A0=A0I am downloading the = entire volume. =A0 I am also ILLing Henkel's book on madagascar reptiles and the other book, t= he guy's name is GASKOW or something similar.=A0 I am hoping at a minimum, I'll be a= ble to find a reference citation or two that I can ILL (assuming Jason's reference, and= whatever Lyle can find aren't enough for my advisor). =A0 thanks again. =A0 Joe Gecko-less for the first time in 28 years :( --- On Fri, 10/2/09, J. Hodam wrote: From: J. Hodam Subject: Re: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.gr= andis v. P.standingi To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 2:43 PM Hey Joe, I don't know if you remember me, we traded offspring a good 10-15 years bac= k.=A0 It's good to see you're still active and going professional (I'm not,= but if things ever settle down again I wouldn't mind getting back into bre= eding). I don't have Methuen & Hewitt's original description, but here's a link to = a review Loveridge did in 1942 with original type species description for P= . standingi. http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/name/Phelsuma_standingi Hope this helps, Cheers, Jason ________________________________________________________________________ "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work" - Thomas E= dison ________________________________________________________________________ --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Lyle Puente wrote: From: Lyle Puente Subject: Re: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.gr= andis v. P.standingi To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 10:46 PM Hi Joe,=20 Good to see you are out there! I will look through my books, but I think a standard photo would do for suc= h a severe mix up. I can scan you a field guide or what ever else I find tomorrow. Lyle Lyle Puente My Brothers Banned http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 10/1/09, Joseph Loucek wrote: > From: Joseph Loucek > Subject: [gecko]Is anyone out there?=A0 Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.g= randis v. P.standingi > To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 5:00 PM > Hhhhhheeeelllllloooooooo! > =A0 > Where is everybody?=A0 No chatter at all. > =A0 > I am looking for a taxonomic (dichotomous or > otherwise) key to differentiate between Phelsuma m. grandis > and P. standingi. > =A0 > Here's why: > =A0 > My graduate advisor is doing toepad research (and > salamander population studies - that's my thesis > topic).=A0 He received=A0a shipment of Phelsuma back > in the Spring.=A0 I just recently went over to see the > animals, and instantly recognized that the animal dealer > sent him a P.m. grandis and a P.m. ? (maybe kochi, probably > grandis) when he paid for standingi. > =A0 > Before he contacts the vendor, he wants to make sure > that there isn't a chance of the two animals in question > being standingi.=A0 There is no doubt in my mind that > they are not standingi, but I can only intuitively tell him > the differences, and that is based primarily on > appearance.=A0 He and I both recognize that there must be > some key morphological differences between grandis and > standingi - I just don't know them.=A0 All my books > are buried in a box in my basement during a VERY LONG TERM > (too long, if you ask my wife) remodel. > =A0 > So again, the question is, does anyone have a key that > will allows us to positively identify these two animals by > morphology (scale counts, toe pad differences, etc.)? > =A0 > thanks > =A0 > Joe >=20 >=20 >=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 _______________________________________________ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko =0A=0A=0A --0-1091122383-1254531952=:36047 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Jason and Lyle -
 
I would think that a photographic comparison would be sufficient to di= fferentiate the two, but my advisor has had dealings with this vendor befor= e, and is afraid the vendor will call them two
different locality morphs or something similar.
 
I found the Harvard Bulletin at www= .Archive.org.  I am downloading the entire volume.
 
I am also ILLing Henkel's book on madagascar reptiles and the other bo= ok, the guy's
name is GASKOW or something similar.  I am hoping at a minimum, I= 'll be able to find
a reference citation or two that I can ILL (assuming Jason's reference= , and whatever Lyle
can find aren't enough for my advisor).
 
thanks again.
 
Joe
Gecko-less for the first time in 28 years :(

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, J. Hodam <hodamj@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: J. Hodam <hodamj@yahoo.com>
Subjec= t: Re: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis = v. P.standingi
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Date: Friday, October 2, 2= 009, 2:43 PM

Hey Joe,

I don't know if you remember me, we = traded offspring a good 10-15 years back.  It's good to see you're sti= ll active and going professional (I'm not, but if things ever settle down a= gain I wouldn't mind getting back into breeding).

I don't have Methu= en & Hewitt's original description, but here's a link to a review Lover= idge did in 1942 with original type species description for P. standingi.
http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/name/Phelsuma_standing= i

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Jason
______________= __________________________________________________________
"I have not f= ailed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work" - Thomas Edison
____________________________________________________= ____________________

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Lyle Puente <lyle= puente@optonline.net> wrote:

From: Lyle Puente <lylepuente@optonline.net>= ;
Subject: Re: [gecko]Is anyone out there? Looking for taxonomic key - P= .m.grandis v. P.standingi
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Date: Thursday,= October 1, 2009, 10:46 PM

Hi Joe,=20
Good to see you are out there!
I will look through my books, but I think a standard photo would do fo= r such a severe mix up.
I can scan you a field guide or what ever else I find tomorrow.

Lyle

 
 
 
 


--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Joseph Loucek <jcloucek@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Joseph Loucek <jcl= oucek@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [gecko]Is anyone out there?  = Looking for taxonomic key - P.m.grandis v. P.standingi
> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
= > Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 5:00 PM
> Hhhhhheeeellllllooooo= ooo!
>  
> Where is everybody?  No chatter at all.>  
> I am looking for a taxonomic (dichotomous or
> o= therwise) key to differentiate between Phelsuma m. grandis
> and P. standingi.
>  
> Here's why:
>  
> My gr= aduate advisor is doing toepad research (and
> salamander population = studies - that's my thesis
> topic).  He received a shipmen= t of Phelsuma back
> in the Spring.  I just recently went over t= o see the
> animals, and instantly recognized that the animal dealer<= BR>> sent him a P.m. grandis and a P.m. ? (maybe kochi, probably
>= grandis) when he paid for standingi.
>  
> Before he cont= acts the vendor, he wants to make sure
> that there isn't a chance of= the two animals in question
> being standingi.  There is no dou= bt in my mind that
> they are not standingi, but I can only intuitive= ly tell him
> the differences, and that is based primarily on
>= appearance.  He and I both recognize that there must be
> some = key morphological differences between grandis and
> standingi - I just don't know them.  All my books
> are buried in a box i= n my basement during a VERY LONG TERM
> (too long, if you ask my wife= ) remodel.
>  
> So again, the question is, does anyone ha= ve a key that
> will allows us to positively identify these two anima= ls by
> morphology (scale counts, toe pad differences, etc.)?
>=  
> thanks
>  
> Joe
>
>
>=        



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=0A=0A --0-1091122383-1254531952=:36047-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sun Oct 4 16:03:02 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Joseph Loucek) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key In-Reply-To: <8CC11B05B1378F2-18A4-333F3@webmail-m080.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <43120.2929.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-2089996376-1254668582=:2929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Ron - =A0 Thanks for dropping Raxworthy's name.=A0 I was able to find one of his arti= cles that had a dichotomous key to the Phelsuma of Madagsacar, and=A0throug= h State Library of Ohio's Electronic Journal Center, I got an electronic co= py. =A0 take care, =A0 Joe =A0 Geckoless for the first time in 28 years. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, rronster@aol.com wrote: From: rronster@aol.com Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:47 PM Hello, =A0=A0 I actually have the original description of Phelsuma standingi and c= an send you a picture of the page where it is described (I don't have a sca= nner), if you contact me off server. You could also try=A0contacting Chris = Raxworthy at the American Museum of Natural History Herpetology Department = or Miguel Vences and/or Franco Andreone (they both really have nice website= s). There may be a key that I'm not aware of. =A0 Ron Van Heest=0A=0A=0A --0-2089996376-1254668582=:2929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Ron -
 
Thanks for dropping Raxworthy's name.  I was able to find one of = his articles that had a dichotomous key to the Phelsuma of Madagsacar, and&= nbsp;through State Library of Ohio's Electronic Journal Center, I got an el= ectronic copy.
 
take care,
 
Joe
 
Geckoless for the first time in 28 years.

--- On Fri, 10/2/0= 9, rronster@aol.com <rronster@aol.com> wrote:

From: rronster@aol.com <rronster@aol.com>Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key
To: gecko@lists.g= ekkota.com
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:47 PM

Hello,
   I actually have the original description of Phelsuma stan= dingi and can send you a picture of the page where it is described (I don't= have a scanner), if you contact me off server. You could also try con= tacting Chris Raxworthy at the American Museum of Natural History Herpetolo= gy Department or Miguel Vences and/or Franco Andreone (they both really hav= e nice websites). There may be a key that I'm not aware of.
 
Ron Van Heest

=0A=0A=0A= =0A --0-2089996376-1254668582=:2929-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sun Oct 4 22:05:20 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:05:20 EDT Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key Message-ID: -------------------------------1254690320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Joe ~ How does it feel to be "geckoless for the first time in 28 years" (!)? Elizabeth In a message dated 10/4/2009 8:08:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jcloucek@yahoo.com writes: Hey Ron - Thanks for dropping Raxworthy's name. I was able to find one of his articles that had a dichotomous key to the Phelsuma of Madagsacar, and through State Library of Ohio's Electronic Journal Center, I got an electronic copy. take care, Joe Geckoless for the first time in 28 years. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, rronster@aol.com wrote: From: rronster@aol.com Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:47 PM Hello, I actually have the original description of Phelsuma standingi and can send you a picture of the page where it is described (I don't have a scanner), if you contact me off server. You could also try contacting Chris Raxworthy at the American Museum of Natural History Herpetology Department or Miguel Vences and/or Franco Andreone (they both really have nice websites). There may be a key that I'm not aware of. Ron Van Heest -------------------------------1254690320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Joe ~
 
How does it feel to be "geckoless for the first time in 28 years"=20 (!)?
 
Elizabeth
 
In a message dated 10/4/2009 8:08:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 jcloucek@yahoo.com writes:
Hey Ron -
 
Thanks for dropping Raxworthy's name.  I was able to fin= d one=20 of his articles that had a dichotomous key to the Phelsuma of=20 Madagsacar, and through State Library of Ohio's Electronic Jo= urnal=20 Center, I got an electronic copy.
 
take care,
 
Joe
 
Geckoless for the first time in 28 years.

--- On Fr= i,=20 10/2/09, rronster@aol.com <rronster@aol.com>=20 wrote:

From:=20 rronster@aol.com <rronster@aol.com>
Subject: [gecko]Phe= lsuma=20 standingi and taxonomic key
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Da= te:=20 Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:47 PM

Hello,
   I actually have the original description of Ph= elsuma=20 standingi and can send you a picture of the page where it is des= cribed=20 (I don't have a scanner), if you contact me off server. You coul= d also=20 try contacting Chris Raxworthy at the American Museum of Na= tural=20 History Herpetology Department or Miguel Vences and/or Franco An= dreone=20 (they both really have nice websites). There may be a key that= I'm not=20 aware of.
 
Ron Van=20 Heest

 
-------------------------------1254690320-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Mon Oct 5 09:36:20 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Joseph Loucek) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908165.1153.qm@web37903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-245030455-1254731780=:1153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Elizabeth - =A0 I shipped Lyle a bunch of stuff in about 2002 (Lyle, I still have a bunch o= f cages for you in my basement - someday, I'll find a big enough box, all t= he lids, and your address at the same time :) ).=A0 I held back a pair of a= melanistic castelnaui.=A0 One died.=A0 Having 1 was a lot harder than havin= g many.=A0 Instead of just walking to the cricket bin, I had to stop at the= pet store.=A0 The mark up on crickets is unbelievable!=A0 About every 10 t= imes, they'd be out.=A0 That meant an extra stop.=A0 What a hassle!=A0 I ga= ve him to a grad student who was interested in starting to breed.=A0 I told= her he was a great animal to start a breeding colony on (he was/is). =A0 Having none is downright lonely.=A0 I miss the male tokay bark.=A0 I miss h= earing the misting system kick on.=A0 And I really miss the anticipation of= looking for eggs, and then waiting for them to hatch, especially when it w= as a new species that I hadn't bred before.=A0 What I really don't miss is = trying to get rid of all the hatchlings and working swap meets, where every= one has just about the same thing for the same price. =A0 Hopefully, when the thesis is done, and the remodel=A0(house) is finished, = I'll be able to start up again.=A0 Next time, I will have a different "busi= ness model" for liquidating hatchlings and keeping costs low. =A0 Joe --- On Sun, 10/4/09, ElizabethFreer@aol.com wrote: From: ElizabethFreer@aol.com Subject: Re: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 5:05 PM Hi Joe ~ =A0 How does it feel to be "geckoless for the first time in 28 years" (!)? =A0 Elizabeth =A0 In a message dated 10/4/2009 8:08:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jcloucek@y= ahoo.com writes: Hey Ron - =A0 Thanks for dropping Raxworthy's name.=A0 I was able to find one of his arti= cles that had a dichotomous key to the Phelsuma of Madagsacar, and=A0throug= h State Library of Ohio's Electronic Journal Center, I got an electronic co= py. =A0 take care, =A0 Joe =A0 Geckoless for the first time in 28 years. --- On Fri, 10/2/09, rronster@aol.com wrote: From: rronster@aol.com Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:47 PM Hello, =A0=A0 I actually have the original description of Phelsuma standingi and c= an send you a picture of the page where it is described (I don't have a sca= nner), if you contact me off server. You could also try=A0contacting Chris = Raxworthy at the American Museum of Natural History Herpetology Department = or Miguel Vences and/or Franco Andreone (they both really have nice website= s). There may be a key that I'm not aware of. =A0 Ron Van Heest =A0=0A=0A=0A --0-245030455-1254731780=:1153 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Elizabeth -
 
I shipped Lyle a bunch of stuff in about 2002 (Lyle, I still have a bu= nch of cages for you in my basement - someday, I'll find a big enough box, = all the lids, and your address at the same time :) ).  I held back a p= air of amelanistic castelnaui.  One died.  Having 1 was a lot har= der than having many.  Instead of just walking to the cricket bin, I h= ad to stop at the pet store.  The mark up on crickets is unbelievable!=   About every 10 times, they'd be out.  That meant an extra stop.=   What a hassle!  I gave him to a grad student who was interested= in starting to breed.  I told her he was a great animal to start a br= eeding colony on (he was/is).
 
Having none is downright lonely.  I miss the male tokay bark.&nbs= p; I miss hearing the misting system kick on.  And I really miss the a= nticipation of looking for eggs, and then waiting for them to hatch, especi= ally when it was a new species that I hadn't bred before.  What I real= ly don't miss is trying to get rid of all the hatchlings and working swap m= eets, where everyone has just about the same thing for the same price.
 
Hopefully, when the thesis is done, and the remodel (house) is fi= nished, I'll be able to start up again.  Next time, I will have a diff= erent "business model" for liquidating hatchlings and keeping costs low.
 
Joe

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, ElizabethFreer@aol.com <Eliza= bethFreer@aol.com> wrote:

From: ElizabethFreer@aol.com <ElizabethFreer@a= ol.com>
Subject: Re: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key
T= o: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 5:05 PM
Hi Joe ~
 
How does it feel to be "geckoless for the first time in 28 years" (!)?=
 
Elizabeth
 
In a message dated 10/4/2009 8:08:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jclou= cek@yahoo.com writes:
Hey Ron -
 
Thanks for dropping Raxworthy's name.  I was able to find one of = his articles that had a dichotomous key to the Phelsuma of Madagsacar, and&= nbsp;through State Library of Ohio's Electronic Journal Center, I got an el= ectronic copy.
 
take care,
 
Joe
 
Geckoless for the first time in 28 years.

--- On Fri, 10/2/0= 9, rronster@aol.com <rronster@aol.com> wrote:

From: rronster@aol.com <rronster@aol.com>Subject: [gecko]Phelsuma standingi and taxonomic key
To: gecko@lists.g= ekkota.com
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 3:47 PM

Hello,
   I actually have the original description of Phelsuma stan= dingi and can send you a picture of the page where it is described (I don't= have a scanner), if you contact me off server. You could also try con= tacting Chris Raxworthy at the American Museum of Natural History Herpetolo= gy Department or Miguel Vences and/or Franco Andreone (they both really hav= e nice websites). There may be a key that I'm not aware of.
 
Ron Van Heest

 

=0A=0A = --0-245030455-1254731780=:1153-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 13 20:51:42 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gekkotan Gekkotan) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:51:42 -0300 Subject: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper Message-ID: <60b83a810910131251j5f365858hc411e4c9e18e168f@mail.gmail.com> --0015174bf2aa15a0580475d66084 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I am looking for the article - Bianchi, J. 1991. Notes on Captive Breeding of of the Turnip-Tailed Gecko Thecadactylus rapicauda Jour. Int. Gecko Soc. 1 (1): 17-19 Does anyone have this and/or any info about husbandry and breeding this species? Thanks for any help. Gekkotan --0015174bf2aa15a0580475d66084 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I am looking for the article
  • Bianchi, J. 1991. Notes on Captive Breeding of of the Turnip-Tailed Gecko Thecadactylus rapicauda Jour. I= nt. Gecko Soc. 1 (1): 17-19
Does anyone have this and/or any info about= husbandry and breeding this species?

Thanks for any help.

Ge= kkotan
--0015174bf2aa15a0580475d66084-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 13 21:09:01 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Lyle Puente) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:09:01 -0400 Subject: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper In-Reply-To: <60b83a810910131251j5f365858hc411e4c9e18e168f@mail.gmail.com> References: <60b83a810910131251j5f365858hc411e4c9e18e168f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <840A65D7-0CC3-4963-A050-393D2A254B35@optonline.net> My Friend Damien Victor works with this species for several years now. I can get you in touch with him. Lyle On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Gekkotan Gekkotan wrote: > Hi, I am looking for the article > Bianchi, J. 1991. Notes on Captive Breeding of of the Turnip-Tailed > Gecko Thecadactylus rapicauda Jour. Int. Gecko Soc. 1 (1): 17-19 > Does anyone have this and/or any info about husbandry and breeding > this species? > > Thanks for any help. > > Gekkotan From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 13 22:31:54 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:31:54 EDT Subject: [gecko] Lygodactylus williamsi? Message-ID: --part1_cdf.5a071ba5.38064bca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lots of these coming in the last couple of years, but I haven't heard of much breeding success. Given the restricted natural range and protection status, it does not seem likely that current import levels are sustainable. So, anyone out there having luck with hatching out and successfully raising the young? It would be a shame to piddle around and lose this species in the hobby... Thanks Brad Chambers --part1_cdf.5a071ba5.38064bca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lots of these coming in the last co= uple of years, but I haven't heard of much  breeding success. = Given the restricted natural range and protection status, it does not se= em likely that current import levels are sustainable.  So, anyone ou= t there having luck with hatching out and successfully raising the young?&= nbsp; It would be a shame to piddle around and lose this species in the= hobby...

Thanks
Brad Chambers --part1_cdf.5a071ba5.38064bca_boundary-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 14 12:57:52 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gekkotan Gekkotan) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:57:52 -0300 Subject: [gecko]Re: Thecadactylus husbandry and paper Message-ID: <60b83a810910140457j5c26cdb6g655ae1b9f83c8df3@mail.gmail.com> --00032555f786650f7f0475e3df93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Lyle, that would be great! Can you pass me his email? best wishes Gekkotan --00032555f786650f7f0475e3df93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Lyle, that would be great! Can you pass me his email?
best wishes

Gekkotan


--00032555f786650f7f0475e3df93-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 14 16:19:03 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Sven Vogler) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:19:03 +0200 Subject: [gecko]Gekko japonicus Message-ID: <20091014151903.6FC45448C8@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_125553354362930 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello! Anyone out there keeping Gecko japonicus? I have a single male and search for a female. Greetings from Hamburg Sven Vogler --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze --_----------=_125553354362930 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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Anyone out there keeping Gecko japonicus?
I have a single = male and search for a female.

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Powered by Outblaze --_----------=_125553354362930-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 14 16:41:00 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Yuri Huta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:41:00 -0400 Subject: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper In-Reply-To: <60b83a810910131251j5f365858hc411e4c9e18e168f@mail.gmail.com> References: <60b83a810910131251j5f365858hc411e4c9e18e168f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53FA18D2-1A92-4318-AB8D-75930345D63C@hutaphoto.com> Hi Gekkotan, I have kept these in the past and got them to breed, lay eggs and eventually got a couple of hatchlings. I kept them in a 12" x 12" x 18" tall (30cm x 30cm x 45cm tall) Exoterra with a potted Sansevieria and a long cork tube. I fed them dusted crickets and waxmoth larvae. The female would lay eggs in the potting soil of the Sansevieria. She would cover them up quite well and I would have to rot around to find them. The Exoterra had a compact fluorescent on top of the screen and the temperature would be in the mid to high 70 degrees F, with the low dropping to the mid 60 degrees F. If it helps, this was the same room I kept poison arrow frogs and a few species of Sphaerodactylus and Gonatodes - and all of these did quite well in this setting. The Sphaerodactylus, Gonatodes and Dendrobatid frogs had slightly higher daytime temperatures though (enclosed aqauriums with glass lids helped retain heat better than the screen topped Exoterra). I did not notice any problems with keeping the male with the female full time. I did notice that the hatchlings were rather weak and it took work to get them to feed. Perhaps my incubation temperatures were too low? Yuri On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Gekkotan Gekkotan wrote: > Hi, I am looking for the article > Bianchi, J. 1991. Notes on Captive Breeding of of the Turnip-Tailed > Gecko Thecadactylus rapicauda Jour. Int. Gecko Soc. 1 (1): 17-19 > Does anyone have this and/or any info about husbandry and breeding > this species? > > Thanks for any help. > > Gekkotan From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 14 17:49:39 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Jon & Stacy Boone) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:49:39 -0500 Subject: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper In-Reply-To: <53FA18D2-1A92-4318-AB8D-75930345D63C@hutaphoto.com> References: <60b83a810910131251j5f365858hc411e4c9e18e168f@mail.gmail.com> <53FA18D2-1A92-4318-AB8D-75930345D63C@hutaphoto.com> Message-ID: <019501ca4cee$5256fb40$f704f1c0$@net> My experiences mirror Yuri's experiences. And I think he is dead on with low incubation temps resulting in weaker hatchlings. I've got eggs incubating from this species at this very moment. Interestingly, for such a large species, they only lay single eggs. However, some other large New World species also lay single eggs, like all Aristelliger species. Most Thecadactylus will readily consume fruit and especially those populations in the Caribbean, where specimens have been witnessed gorging on suspended fruit at night. Jon -----Original Message----- From: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com] On Behalf Of Yuri Huta Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:41 AM To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Subject: Re: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper Hi Gekkotan, I have kept these in the past and got them to breed, lay eggs and eventually got a couple of hatchlings. I kept them in a 12" x 12" x 18" tall (30cm x 30cm x 45cm tall) Exoterra with a potted Sansevieria and a long cork tube. I fed them dusted crickets and waxmoth larvae. The female would lay eggs in the potting soil of the Sansevieria. She would cover them up quite well and I would have to rot around to find them. The Exoterra had a compact fluorescent on top of the screen and the temperature would be in the mid to high 70 degrees F, with the low dropping to the mid 60 degrees F. If it helps, this was the same room I kept poison arrow frogs and a few species of Sphaerodactylus and Gonatodes - and all of these did quite well in this setting. The Sphaerodactylus, Gonatodes and Dendrobatid frogs had slightly higher daytime temperatures though (enclosed aqauriums with glass lids helped retain heat better than the screen topped Exoterra). I did not notice any problems with keeping the male with the female full time. I did notice that the hatchlings were rather weak and it took work to get them to feed. Perhaps my incubation temperatures were too low? Yuri On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Gekkotan Gekkotan wrote: > Hi, I am looking for the article > Bianchi, J. 1991. Notes on Captive Breeding of of the Turnip-Tailed > Gecko Thecadactylus rapicauda Jour. Int. Gecko Soc. 1 (1): 17-19 > Does anyone have this and/or any info about husbandry and breeding > this species? > > Thanks for any help. > > Gekkotan _______________________________________________ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 14 18:06:58 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Yuri Huta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:06:58 -0400 Subject: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper In-Reply-To: <019501ca4cee$5256fb40$f704f1c0$@net> References: <60b83a810910131251j5f365858hc411e4c9e18e168f@mail.gmail.com> <53FA18D2-1A92-4318-AB8D-75930345D63C@hutaphoto.com> <019501ca4cee$5256fb40$f704f1c0$@net> Message-ID: <6C0EA7C5-487D-4B02-85F0-09C0D7AB871B@hutaphoto.com> Jon's reply stirred some memories regarding husbandry. The single egg and fruit in their diet specifically. I did have a pair of crested geckos at the time and vaguely recall mixing the T- Rex/Sandfire Crested Gecko powder diet up for both species. I suspect that I also offered them other baby food jar type foods in addition to the T-Rex/Sandfire mix, but can't be certain. I know I did it for the Crested Geckos, so suspect I would have offered it to the Thecadactylus pair. I picked up my pair in person while in Miami at Strictly Reptiles (if my memory still works), which agreed to sell to me as a non store owner. They had a several dozen and most looked quite robust, despite the cramped conditions. While I can't remember the exact country they were from, these were from Central America - although Honduras keeps coming to mind. Last I read, Thecadactylus has been split up into more than one species by Bergmann (2006 or 2007?). I had the paper electronically at my former job, but neglected to take a copy with me. I think it is a nicely patterned species that seemed to do quite well as adults. Not just brown in color, but I noticed green and yellows in my animals. As Jon noted, the incubation temperatures were likely on the low end with the eggs I was working with. Yuri On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Jon & Stacy Boone wrote: > My experiences mirror Yuri's experiences. And I think he is dead > on with > low incubation temps resulting in weaker hatchlings. I've got eggs > incubating from this species at this very moment. Interestingly, > for such a > large species, they only lay single eggs. However, some other > large New > World species also lay single eggs, like all Aristelliger species. > Most > Thecadactylus will readily consume fruit and especially those > populations in > the Caribbean, where specimens have been witnessed gorging on > suspended > fruit at night. > > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko- > admin@lists.gekkota.com] > On Behalf Of Yuri Huta > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:41 AM > To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Subject: Re: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper > > Hi Gekkotan, > > I have kept these in the past and got them to breed, lay eggs and > eventually got a couple of hatchlings. I kept them in a 12" x 12" x > 18" tall (30cm x 30cm x 45cm tall) Exoterra with a potted Sansevieria > and a long cork tube. I fed them dusted crickets and waxmoth larvae. > The female would lay eggs in the potting soil of the Sansevieria. She > would cover them up quite well and I would have to rot around to find > them. The Exoterra had a compact fluorescent on top of the screen and > the temperature would be in the mid to high 70 degrees F, with the > low dropping to the mid 60 degrees F. If it helps, this was the same > room I kept poison arrow frogs and a few species of Sphaerodactylus > and Gonatodes - and all of these did quite well in this setting. The > Sphaerodactylus, Gonatodes and Dendrobatid frogs had slightly higher > daytime temperatures though (enclosed aqauriums with glass lids > helped retain heat better than the screen topped Exoterra). > > I did not notice any problems with keeping the male with the female > full time. I did notice that the hatchlings were rather weak and it > took work to get them to feed. Perhaps my incubation temperatures > were too low? > > Yuri > > On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Gekkotan Gekkotan wrote: > >> Hi, I am looking for the article >> Bianchi, J. 1991. Notes on Captive Breeding of of the Turnip-Tailed >> Gecko Thecadactylus rapicauda Jour. Int. Gecko Soc. 1 (1): 17-19 >> Does anyone have this and/or any info about husbandry and breeding >> this species? >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Gekkotan > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 14 18:11:48 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Yuri Huta) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:11:48 -0400 Subject: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper In-Reply-To: <019501ca4cee$5256fb40$f704f1c0$@net> References: <60b83a810910131251j5f365858hc411e4c9e18e168f@mail.gmail.com> <53FA18D2-1A92-4318-AB8D-75930345D63C@hutaphoto.com> <019501ca4cee$5256fb40$f704f1c0$@net> Message-ID: <4594AFEB-FFF3-4F85-80B1-E0092E21E0C4@hutaphoto.com> --Apple-Mail-1-207718204 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed 298. Bergmann, P.J. and A.P. Russell. (2007a). Systematics and biogeography of the widespread Neotropical gekkonid genus Thecadactylus (Squamata), with the description of a new cryptic species. Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society 149: 339-370. (pdf) in case the embedded link gets stripped out, here is the main url and look for article #298: http://www.bio.ucalgary.ca/contact/faculty/russbiblio.html On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Jon & Stacy Boone wrote: > My experiences mirror Yuri's experiences. And I think he is dead > on with > low incubation temps resulting in weaker hatchlings. I've got eggs > incubating from this species at this very moment. Interestingly, > for such a > large species, they only lay single eggs. However, some other > large New > World species also lay single eggs, like all Aristelliger species. > Most > Thecadactylus will readily consume fruit and especially those > populations in > the Caribbean, where specimens have been witnessed gorging on > suspended > fruit at night. > > Jon > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko- > admin@lists.gekkota.com] > On Behalf Of Yuri Huta > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:41 AM > To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Subject: Re: [gecko]Thecadactylus husbandry and paper > > Hi Gekkotan, > > I have kept these in the past and got them to breed, lay eggs and > eventually got a couple of hatchlings. I kept them in a 12" x 12" x > 18" tall (30cm x 30cm x 45cm tall) Exoterra with a potted Sansevieria > and a long cork tube. I fed them dusted crickets and waxmoth larvae. > The female would lay eggs in the potting soil of the Sansevieria. She > would cover them up quite well and I would have to rot around to find > them. The Exoterra had a compact fluorescent on top of the screen and > the temperature would be in the mid to high 70 degrees F, with the > low dropping to the mid 60 degrees F. If it helps, this was the same > room I kept poison arrow frogs and a few species of Sphaerodactylus > and Gonatodes - and all of these did quite well in this setting. The > Sphaerodactylus, Gonatodes and Dendrobatid frogs had slightly higher > daytime temperatures though (enclosed aqauriums with glass lids > helped retain heat better than the screen topped Exoterra). > > I did not notice any problems with keeping the male with the female > full time. I did notice that the hatchlings were rather weak and it > took work to get them to feed. Perhaps my incubation temperatures > were too low? > > Yuri > > On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Gekkotan Gekkotan wrote: > >> Hi, I am looking for the article >> Bianchi, J. 1991. Notes on Captive Breeding of of the Turnip-Tailed >> Gecko Thecadactylus rapicauda Jour. Int. Gecko Soc. 1 (1): 17-19 >> Does anyone have this and/or any info about husbandry and breeding >> this species? >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> Gekkotan > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko --Apple-Mail-1-207718204 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII 
298. Bergmann, P.J. and A.P. =
Russell.  (2007a).  Systematics and biogeography of the =
widespread Neotropical gekkonid genus Thecadactylus (Squamata), =
with the description of a new cryptic species.  Zoological Journal =
of the Linnean Society 149: 339-370. (pd=
f)
in case the embedded link gets stripped out, =
here is the main url and look for article #298:
http:/=
/www.bio.ucalgary.ca/contact/faculty/russbiblio.html
On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Jon & Stacy Boone = wrote:

My experiences mirror Yuri's = experiences.  And I = think he is dead on with
low = incubation temps resulting in weaker hatchlings.  I've got eggs
incubating from this species at this very = moment.  = Interestingly, for such a
large = species, they only lay single eggs.  However, some other large = New
World species also lay single = eggs, like all Aristelliger species.  Most
Thecadactylus will readily consume fruit and = especially those populations in
the = Caribbean, where specimens have been witnessed gorging on = suspended
fruit at night.



From: = gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko-admin@lists.gek= kota.com]
On Behalf Of Yuri Huta
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:41 AM
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Hi Gekkotan,

I have kept these in the past = and got them to breed, lay eggs and  
eventually got a couple of hatchlings. I kept them = in a 12" x 12" x  
18" tall (30cm x 30cm x 45cm tall) Exoterra with a = potted Sansevieria  
and a long cork tube. I fed them dusted crickets and = waxmoth larvae.  
The female would lay eggs in the potting soil of the = Sansevieria. She  
would cover them up quite well and I would have to = rot around to find  
them. The Exoterra had a compact fluorescent on top = of the screen and  
the temperature would be in the mid to high 70 = degrees F, with the  
low dropping to the mid 60 degrees F. If it helps, = this was the same  
room I kept poison arrow frogs and a few species of = Sphaerodactylus  
and Gonatodes - and all of these did quite well in = this setting. The  
Sphaerodactylus, Gonatodes and Dendrobatid frogs had = slightly higher  
daytime temperatures though (enclosed aqauriums with = glass lids  
helped retain heat better than the screen topped = Exoterra).

I did not notice any problems with keeping the male = with the female  
full time. I did notice that the hatchlings were = rather weak and it  
took work to get them to feed. Perhaps my incubation = temperatures  
were too low?

Yuri

On Oct = 13, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Gekkotan Gekkotan wrote:

Hi, I am looking for the = article
Bianchi, J. 1991. Notes on = Captive Breeding of of the Turnip-Tailed  
Gecko Thecadactylus rapicauda Jour. Int. Gecko Soc. = 1 (1): 17-19
Does anyone have this and/or any = info about husbandry and breeding  
this species?

Thanks for any help.


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= --Apple-Mail-1-207718204-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Thu Oct 15 07:24:14 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:24:14 EDT Subject: [gecko]Gekko japonicus Message-ID: -------------------------------1255587854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Sven ~ Have you inquired at Geckos Unlimited yet? Elizabeth In a message dated 10/14/2009 8:20:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, abronia@operamail.com writes: Hello! Anyone out there keeping Gecko japonicus? I have a single male and search for a female. Greetings from Hamburg Sven Vogler -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at _http://www.opera.com_ (http://www.opera.com/) Powered by Outblaze -------------------------------1255587854 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1255587854-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Thu Oct 15 13:33:41 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gekkotan Gekkotan) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:33:41 -0300 Subject: [gecko]Re: Thecadactylus husbandry and paper Message-ID: <60b83a810910150533h62f7edc9w337380cc822d2202@mail.gmail.com> --000325556ed64f694b0475f87de6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the info, guys I have keeping them in a 45x40x30 plastic terrarium individualy. I have 2 and one of them had the tail autotomized, so, I would prefer to wait for it get recovered before breeding attempts. I have here this article and some others which I learned a little about the ecology of the species and, with these info you gave me, I think keeping them will be a bit easier. I am just in a trouble with sexing them. They have no pre cloacal or femoral pores. I have some experience with Phyllopezus and I learned to sex them in some modified scales near cloaca. They doesnt look cloacal spurs at all, but have some diferences between them. I tryied to look for it in Thecadactylus, but I thought a lot of subjetivity. I hope they are a pair as I cant get others. Thanks for all the replies Gekkotan --000325556ed64f694b0475f87de6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the info, guys
I have keeping them in a 45x40x30 plastic terr= arium individualy. I have 2 and one of them had the tail autotomized, so, I= would prefer to wait for it get recovered before breeding attempts. I have= here this article and some others which I learned a little about the ecolo= gy of the species and, with these info you gave me, I think keeping them wi= ll be a bit easier.
I am just in a trouble with sexing them. They have no pre cloacal or femora= l pores. I have some experience with Phyllopezus and I learned to sex them = in some modified scales near cloaca. They doesnt look cloacal spurs at all,= but have some diferences between them. I tryied to look for it in Thecadac= tylus, but I thought a lot of subjetivity. I hope they are a pair as I cant= get others.

Thanks for all the replies

Gekkotan


--000325556ed64f694b0475f87de6-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Thu Oct 15 14:15:37 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Jon & Stacy Boone) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:15:37 -0500 Subject: [gecko]Re: Thecadactylus husbandry and paper In-Reply-To: <60b83a810910150533h62f7edc9w337380cc822d2202@mail.gmail.com> References: <60b83a810910150533h62f7edc9w337380cc822d2202@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801ca4d99$95dc7ab0$c1957010$@net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA4D6F.AD0672B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The sexing of Thecadactylus is very easy. Males have greatly enlarged hemipenal pockets at the base of the tail. These are easier to sex than a leopard gecko - providing you have both sexes to see the differences. Hopefully, you have immature animals and eventually get a male. It seems as if you must have 2 females to not have noticed an obvious male in your two. Jon From: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com] On Behalf Of Gekkotan Gekkotan Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:34 AM To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Subject: [gecko]Re: Thecadactylus husbandry and paper Thanks for the info, guys I have keeping them in a 45x40x30 plastic terrarium individualy. I have 2 and one of them had the tail autotomized, so, I would prefer to wait for it get recovered before breeding attempts. I have here this article and some others which I learned a little about the ecology of the species and, with these info you gave me, I think keeping them will be a bit easier. I am just in a trouble with sexing them. They have no pre cloacal or femoral pores. I have some experience with Phyllopezus and I learned to sex them in some modified scales near cloaca. They doesnt look cloacal spurs at all, but have some diferences between them. I tryied to look for it in Thecadactylus, but I thought a lot of subjetivity. I hope they are a pair as I cant get others. Thanks for all the replies Gekkotan ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA4D6F.AD0672B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The sexing of Thecadactylus is very easy.  Males = have greatly enlarged hemipenal pockets at the base of the tail.  These are = easier to sex than a leopard gecko – providing you have both sexes to see the = differences.  Hopefully, you have immature animals and eventually get a male.  It = seems as if you must have 2 females to not have noticed an obvious male in your = two.

 

Jon

 

 

From:= gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com] = On Behalf Of Gekkotan Gekkotan
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:34 AM
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Subject: [gecko]Re: Thecadactylus husbandry and = paper

 

Thanks for the info, = guys
I have keeping them in a 45x40x30 plastic terrarium individualy. I have = 2 and one of them had the tail autotomized, so, I would prefer to wait for it = get recovered before breeding attempts. I have here this article and some = others which I learned a little about the ecology of the species and, with = these info you gave me, I think keeping them will be a bit easier.
I am just in a trouble with sexing them. They have no pre cloacal or = femoral pores. I have some experience with Phyllopezus and I learned to sex them = in some modified scales near cloaca. They doesnt look cloacal spurs at all, = but have some diferences between them. I tryied to look for it in = Thecadactylus, but I thought a lot of subjetivity. I hope they are a pair as I cant get others.

Thanks for all the replies

Gekkotan

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01CA4D6F.AD0672B0-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Fri Oct 16 13:17:52 2009 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gekkotan Gekkotan) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:17:52 -0300 Subject: [gecko]Re: Thecadactylus husbandry and paper Message-ID: <60b83a810910160517u319c308dk5f3be327fce4baeb@mail.gmail.com> --0015174bec1c9487e004760c62e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thats bad hun? I probably have no chances for get more specimens... Jon, do you have pictures of males and females cloaca? If its true I have just 2 females, I hope they have been breeding before they were caught and have retained sperm. --0015174bec1c9487e004760c62e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thats bad hun?
I probably have no chances for get more specimens... Jon, do you have pictures of males and females cloaca? If its true I have just 2 females, I hope they have been breeding before they were caught and have retained sperm.

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