[gecko]Li'i isn't cooperating!
Jay Sommers
gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:06:17 +0000
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Oh yeah,
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One more thing...is it even legal to ship fruitflies to Hawaii.;)
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From: jacobsommers@hotmail.comTo: gecko@lists.gekkota.comSubject: RE: [geck=
o]Li'i isn't cooperating!Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:54:53 +0000
Melody, If you have something to say to me say it directly to me. Don't b=
e a passive aggressive bitch. I have seen no talk about geckos here.I have =
seen a lot of overly sympathetic drama laden crap. No real exchange of legi=
timate information.The only people other than me and 1 or two others who pa=
rticipate in this train wreck of a "society's" list serve are clearly a bun=
ch of social rejects who all wallow in each others thirst for acceptance fr=
om their fellow human beans. Sorry to be such a cranky dick but I figured y=
ou'd been away from dick so long I'd just thrust one into your peaceful "p=
assive" life. If you all want to actually get out of the cyber world and in=
teract face to face with REAL GECKO PEOPLE I might suggest you all attend t=
he Reptile SUpershow in a couple of weeks.There will be a fantastic talk on=
geckos with at least 100 species photographed. Also the biggest gecko keep=
ers in the world will be in attendance (ahem...me!!)And The Great JON BOONE=
!!Yipee!!You know the guy who pretty much built this dam sight with just hi=
s pics alone!! Hope to see you all there.My heart will be singing for all o=
f you.You should hear it it really is quite melodious ! www.reptilesupersho=
w.com Anyone heard about the next gecko night? The next GECKO? Christ eve=
n the godam President of this pathetic joke doesn't do shit with geckos,nev=
er really did. I guess I should just be banned like his brother. I said it =
before nothing here but a bunch of overly-complimentary back patting bullsh=
it. You have made the GECKO GODS ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!! Now you need to fix thi=
ngs by tossing out a sacrificial lamb. Just sacrifice the whole GGA it's pr=
etty much the same thing as a virgin...an untouched unloved waste of time. =
Get a life. Peace be with you, =
Jay "GG" Sommers
> From: mhartley@ix.netcom.com> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com> Subject: Re: [=
gecko]Li'i isn't cooperating!> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:18:13 -0800> > Hi =
Sherron,> > How's Li'i doing?> > BTW don't let one cranky person scare you =
off, the rest of us were > having a good time talking about geckos and stuf=
f ;-)> > Melody> > Sherron wrote:> > > Aloha, Melody> > > > Thanks for the =
info on Ed's, I will see if they can ship to me. Or will > > see if Sunshin=
e will take me with your references. So much appreciated! ;)> > > > We are =
trying to get that tail skin off again and are having so many > > problems!=
We thought she was hard to handle before, but now she is a > > little terr=
or!! She is faster than a speeding bullet -- must be all > > those fruit fl=
ies she is eating! We don't know how to actually hold her > > down -- we ar=
e afraid we will break her, as she is so tiny and she is > > really fast! S=
he is only holding still for a fraction of a second -- > > she knows the dr=
ill now, and all the tricks to get away.> > > > Dennis tries to wet her ski=
n and get a grip with the tweezers while I > > try to keep her from leaping=
off his lap. But she is a real moving target!> > > > And now she is doing =
something else that has us worried -- she keeps > > opening her mouth reall=
y wild and gaping. She doesn't make any noise so > > I don't know if she is=
gasping for air or not, but I don't think we > > could hear her if she was=
. I know she hates what we are doing, but we > > aren't sure if she is real=
ly in distress or not. My husband got worried > > so we put her back in the=
steam bath to loosen the skin up some more (it > > moved only a tiny bit),=
but I wondered if you could shed some light on > > the gaping.> > I know s=
ome animals, like birds, can actually die from emotional > > distress, but =
I don't think geckos fall into that category. Will it hurt > > her if we co=
ntinue even though she is showing signs of acute distress? > > Or could the=
re really be something wrong with her that we just haven't > > noticed befo=
re? I know she was eating today as I saw her catch and eat > > at least a c=
ouple of fruit flies earlier this morning.> > > > Or is the little stinker =
smarter than us and has just gotten us figured > > out already and knows wh=
at buttons to push? ;)> > > > Cooston where I grew up wasn't much of a town=
, either. And we lived > > about 10 miles outside of it anyway. The closest=
"big" town to us was > > North Bend/Coos Bay. I have very fond memories of=
Oregon, though. It was > > a great place to grow up, especially for a tomb=
oy like me. I always > > loved all the animals and the woods ... I had pet =
frogs, salamanders, > > timber beetles, snakes, lizards, chickens, crawdads=
, chipmunks, anything > > I could get my hands on. I used to drive my poor =
mom wild. ;)> > > > Oh and the berries! There is no place like Oregon for t=
he berries! > > Salmonberries, huckleberries, thimbleberries, blackberries =
.. yumm! My > > best friend and I drove from Southern California up through=
Oregon to > > where we lived about 10 years ago and stopped for blackberri=
es along the > > way every place we spotted them! Great trip! ;)> > > > Tha=
nks,> > Sherron> > > > Melody Hartley wrote:> > > >> Hi Sharron,> >>> >> I =
get fruit flies from Ed's Fly Meat, http://www.edsflymeatinc.com.> >> They'=
re near Seattle Washington. (There is no Ed, that's for Erin and> >> Dave -=
- nice folks!) If they can't ship to Hawaii they might know of> >> someone =
near you who keeps dart frogs and would help. I'd suggest also> >> getting =
a bag of their fruit fly medium so you can raise your own. It's> >> pretty =
easy, and I can give you some tips if/when you get to that. I> >> think the=
y sell supplements too, so might have the Rep-Cal. If your> >> gecko gets U=
VB from natural direct sunshine (not through a window) you> >> don't need t=
he kind with D3 in it.> >>> >> Elizabeth suggested Sunshine Mealworms, and =
I agree. They're in> >> Silverton Oregon. I think they are not taking new m=
ealworm customers> >> for a while, but you might tell them that Elizabeth a=
nd I recommended> >> them and maybe that will make a difference ;-)> >>> >>=
You mentioned that you thought the old skin on Li'i's tail is getting> >> =
tighter. She is probably just growing on your hand-fed gourmet diet!> >> Ge=
ckos store fat in their tails. An idea on removing the skin: See if> >> you=
can get it to split by using 2 pairs of tweezers and gently pulling> >> on=
the edge closest to her body. This probably would need a second> >> person=
holding the gecko.> >>> >> Aloha is about 10 miles west of Portland, betwe=
en Beaverton and> >> Hillsboro. It's not exactly a town -- everything runs =
together here now> >> and it never was much of a town. But I like the name =
too ;-D> >>> >> My geckos would love some of those big fruit flies! I'm sur=
e you can't> >> ship them to Oregon though, LOL!> >>> >> Best of luck!> >> =
Melody> >>> >> Gecko wrote:> >>> >>> Aloha, Melody> >>>> >>> Flightless fru=
it flies!! Wouldn't she like that!! I will have to > >>> google for them an=
d see if I can get them into Hawaii! I have to > >>> have an import license=
to have mealworms shipped to me to feed the > >>> geckos! Right now, we ar=
e having problems finding someone to ship > >>> quickly enough in the summe=
r, even with the license. We need a good > >>> supplier that ships from som=
ewhere near the west coast as all the > >>> places I know are mid or east c=
oast. A mealworm import license is $50 > >>> a year for unlimited shipments=
-- and they all go through Honolulu > >>> for inspection! If flightless fr=
uit flies are on the list, they would > >>> cost the same. Hawaii actually =
has a great endemic fruit fly that is > >>> huge -- about the size of a sma=
ll house fly. Too big for our little > >>> Preemie girl as it is almost the=
size of her head! Pretty neat, though!> >>>> >>> Yes, I would be intereste=
d in your source for the flies. I can always > >>> ask them if they ship he=
re. We did find a small scissors on a Swiss > >>> army knife, so my job has=
become easier and faster, thank goodness! > >>> I can sometimes now just h=
old them with my fingers and clip them! > >>> Much easier! ;)> >>>> >>> We =
are watching the tail skin. I worry that it is too tight on her. > >>> And =
it seems to make her tail less flexible. But we dread trying to > >>> get i=
t off, as she really seems unhappy when we try to work on her > >>> tail. N=
ot that she liked the rest of it, but that part always > >>> bothered her t=
he most and she would take off like a bolt!!> >>>> >>> Hey, I am a webfoot =
as I was born in Oregon in Myrtle Point! We moved > >>> away to England for=
a year when I was 11, 'though, so I am not real > >>> familiar with where =
places are. I have not heard of Aloha in Oregon, > >>> but I sure like the =
name! ;)> >>>> >>> Mahalo,> >>> Sherron> >>>> >>> Melody Hartley wrote:> >>=
>> >>>> Aloha Sharron,> >>>>> >>>> You are so patient and dedicated!! This =
little one is so lucky to > >>>> have you, since I'm sure she would have be=
en someone's lunch > >>>> otherwise. If she goes on eating fruit flies, you=
know you can > >>>> raise flightess fruit flies, and that might be easier.=
I do that > >>>> because I keep a few dart frogs, but I use them for hatch=
ling geckos > >>>> too. You'd have to get a starter culture from someone, o=
r get one > >>>> shipped to you if allowed, and keep them strictly separate=
from the > >>>> flying ones because "flightless" is a recessive gene. I ca=
n give > >>>> you more info if you're interested.> >>>>> >>>> Do you have t=
he little bugs in the soil called springtails? Or any > >>>> other tiny bug=
s you could catch, maybe aphids? I'd hate for you go > >>>> blind clipping =
fruit fly wings, LOL!> >>>>> >>>> As to the last bits of shedding, she migh=
t lose the extra skin on > >>>> the next shed. I've only gotten the tail sk=
in off by peeling front > >>>> to back, like turning a cone inside out.> >>=
>>> >>>> The town in Oregon that I live in is named "Aloha" although > >>>>=
pronounced differently -- emphasis on the "lo" part and a soft "h" > >>>> =
-- ah-LO-ah.> >>>>> >>>> It's also nice to see some activity on this list ;=
-)> >>>>> >>>> Melody> >>>>> >>>> Gecko wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> Aloha, Melody> =
>>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for these ideas. I never thought of a paintbrush, but t=
hat > >>>>> would be softer and probably hold the moisture better. ;)> >>>>=
>> >>>>> Her toes kept sticking to the washcloth, so we did lay a paper > >=
>>>> towel on top of it and she liked that better.> >>>>>> >>>>> Now that s=
he is back in her regular house, she is on banana leaf > >>>>> with red ti,=
honeysuckle, and helekonia. We used to have her on > >>>>> paper towels, b=
ut she really seems to like the banana leaf and we > >>>>> have tons of the=
m. And the red ti is her favorite for hanging out > >>>>> on. And all the d=
ay geckos like the helekonia -- that and the > >>>>> bananas are their favo=
rite hangouts ... along with our lanai and > >>>>> house. ;)> >>>>>> >>>>> =
Mahalo,> >>>>> Sherron> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Melody Hartley wrote:> >=
>>>>> >>>>>> Slightly different method -- I use a paper towel rather than a=
> >>>>>> washcloth in the humid box, and float the whole box in a sink ful=
l > >>>>>> of warm water for the heat. A small soft paintbrush can also be =
> >>>>>> helpful for wetting the old skin and working it loose.> >>>>>>> >>=
>>>> elizabethfreer@aol.com wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And Aloha Sherron ~> >>=
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks for these details. Please try the humidity chamber n=
ear a > >>>>>>> lamp for a few hours. Use a wet washcloth that has been wru=
ng > >>>>>>> out and place it in the vented, plastic container. Watch the >=
>>>>>>> water droplets form. After only a few hours I imagine her skin > >=
>>>>>> might be loose enough to start a split.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another id=
ea! Have something like a twig, small branch, or a > >>>>>>> section of cho=
ya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle > >>>>>>> up against to =
assist in the shed.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope the skin shed helps her right =
leg work more efficiently!> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Keep us posted!> >>>>>>> > >>=
>>>>> Wish I lived near the beach in a place warm enough where geckos > >>>=
>>>> roamed freely ;-]> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Elizabeth> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aloha=
, Elizabeth> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> She is about 3/4" from nose to vent -- she is=
the smallest > >>>>>>> day gecko> >>>>>>> hatchling we have ever seen, alt=
hough some of our mourning gecko> >>>>>>> hatchlings are even tinier.> >>>>=
>>>> >>>>>>> This sounds like it might work! If it would just soften > >>>>=
>>> enough to> >>>>>>> pull off her or get a split started, I think we coul=
d get the > >>>>>>> neck> >>>>>>> skin off. We have been misting her little=
cage and putting a> >>>>>>> heating pad next to it, but that only helps a =
little and wasn't> >>>>>>> keeping the humidity up high enough.> >>>>>>> Sh=
e has never seemed to be able to fully control her right > >>>>>>> leg, and=
> >>>>>>> her right foot is smaller than her left and the toes kind of > >>=
>>>>> clumped> >>>>>>> together. She often tends to move the joint and leg =
together > >>>>>>> as a> >>>>>>> unit, so there may be something wrong with=
the joint, too. > >>>>>>> Although> >>>>>>> in watching her with the skin =
problem, some of that may just > >>>>>>> be the> >>>>>>> skin being so tigh=
t it restricts her movement.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Usually when we find the hat=
chlings, most of that first skin has> >>>>>>> already been shed, but she wa=
s fully covered with it and it > >>>>>>> has only> >>>>>>> recently started=
splitting. We do think it hinders her use of > >>>>>>> her> >>>>>>> limbs =
-- her arms are only about the size of thin pencil > >>>>>>> lead, and> >>>=
>>>> the skin seems to fully coat those.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> She has been doi=
ng okay up until the last couple of days, > >>>>>>> though,> >>>>>>> when t=
he skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started> >>>>>>> really =
becoming a problem. She now gets around by lurching > >>>>>>> her body> >>>=
>>>> back and forth because her little arms & legs are still > >>>>>>> enca=
sed in> >>>>>>> the skin, although it has come off some of the back. And sh=
e is> >>>>>>> green underneath, not gray!> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> We haven't ever=
actually kept any of the geckos before, as > >>>>>>> they run> >>>>>>> all=
around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma laticauda, > >>>>>>> house ->=
>>>>>>> Hemidactylus frenatus, & Mourning - Lepidodactylus lugubris). > >>=
>>>>> But we> >>>>>>> had to make an exception in her case, since she could=
n't fend > >>>>>>> for> >>>>>>> herself. Usually we just take the hatchling=
s outside so they > >>>>>>> have a> >>>>>>> better chance of survival -- we=
have lots of big geckos running> >>>>>>> around inside and they don't last=
long if we don't get to > >>>>>>> them first. :(> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mahalo,=
Sherron> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eli=
zabethFreer@aol.com wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Sherron ~> >>>>>>>>> >>=
>>>>>> Try the humidity chamber trick. I can't view your photos at > >>>>>>=
>> home> >>>>>>>> because my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don't=
> >>>>>>>> know how> >>>>>>>> big this gecko is! However, my mourning geck=
os are 1" 3/8" at> >>>>>>>> hatching. Try placing your gecko in a vented pl=
astic container> >>>>>>>> with a damp washcloth inside. Place this near a l=
ight. Almost> >>>>>>>> immediately you will notice beads of water accumulat=
e on the> >>>>>>>> sides/top of the container. After a few hours or so perh=
aps > >>>>>>>> you> >>>>>>>> can remove the rings of old skin around her ne=
ck gently with a> >>>>>>>> tweezers or small scissors.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> =
What is the problem with her right leg? Might you have a > >>>>>>>> new pet=
> >>>>>>>> here?> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Elizabeth> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Subj:[g=
ecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having> >>>>>>>>> trouble sh=
edding "egg skin"> >>>>>>>>> Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time> =
>>>>>>>>> From: gecko.hale@gmail.com (Sherron)> >>>>>>>>> Sender: gecko-adm=
in@lists.gekkota.com> >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > >>>>>>>=
>> <mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com>> >>>>>>>>> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com>=
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We found a tiny hatchling on May 13 that was a little>=
>>>>>>>> underdeveloped and was still in that grayish skin they have > >>>=
>>>>> when> >>>>>>>> they first come out of the shell. She was dehydrated a=
nd has a> >>>>>>>> problem with her right leg, but is spunky.> >>>>>>>>> >>=
>>>>>> We haven't been able to release her outside like we do the > >>>>>>>=
> rest of> >>>>>>>> the hatchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from=
> >>>>>>>> being very> >>>>>>>> mobile, but she has been doing pretty well=
eating tiny bugs &> >>>>>>>> aphids I collect for her. She has also shown =
a real interest in> >>>>>>>> the fruit flies around her papaya, but I don't=
think she has> >>>>>>>> managed to catch any yet.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But =
she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold &> >>>>>>>> clammy, =
so we put a heating pad near her cage to help warm > >>>>>>>> her up.> >>>>=
>>>> It seems to have started her molting her "egg skin", but she > >>>>>>>=
> has a> >>>>>>>> bunch of it around her neck that she can't get off.> >>>>=
>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there anything we can do to help her? She is so tiny we >=
>>>>>>>> don't> >>>>>>>> see how we could try to cut it off! The rest of t=
he skin except> >>>>>>>> for around her neck should slough off okay, but th=
e stuff > >>>>>>>> around> >>>>>>>> her neck is several layers and is a rin=
g, so it may be another> >>>>>>>> matter. :(> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any help w=
ould be greatly appreciated as she is really a spunky> >>>>>>>> little girl=
.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mahalo, Sherron > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> >>>>>>> Fro=
m: Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com>> >>>>>>> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com> >>>>>=
>> Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:21 am> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gecko]Question on =
hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko > >>>>>>> having trouble shedding ...> >>>>>>=
>> >>>>>>> Aloha, Elizabeth> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> She is about 3/4" from nose t=
o vent -- she is the smallest day > >>>>>>> gecko hatchling we have ever se=
en, although some of our mourning > >>>>>>> gecko hatchlings are even tinie=
r.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> This sounds like it might work! If it would just softe=
n enough > >>>>>>> to pull off her or get a split started, I think we could=
get the > >>>>>>> neck skin off. We have been misting her little cage and =
putting > >>>>>>> a heating pad next to it, but that only helps a little an=
d wasn't > >>>>>>> keeping the humidity up high enough.> >>>>>>> She has ne=
ver seemed to be able to fully control her right leg, > >>>>>>> and her rig=
ht foot is smaller than her left and the toes kind of > >>>>>>> clumped tog=
ether. She often tends to move the joint and leg > >>>>>>> together as a un=
it, so there may be something wrong with the > >>>>>>> joint, too. Although=
in watching her with the skin problem, some > >>>>>>> of that may just be =
the skin being so tight it restricts her > >>>>>>> movement.> >>>>>>>> >>>>=
>>> Usually when we find the hatchlings, most of that first skin has > >>>>=
>>> already been shed, but she was fully covered with it and it has > >>>>>=
>> only recently started splitting. We do think it hinders her use > >>>>>>=
> of her limbs -- her arms are only about the size of thin pencil > >>>>>>>=
lead, and the skin seems to fully coat those.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> She has be=
en doing okay up until the last couple of days, though, > >>>>>>> when the =
skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started > >>>>>>> really be=
coming a problem. She now gets around by lurching her > >>>>>>> body back a=
nd forth because her little arms & legs are still > >>>>>>> encased in the =
skin, although it has come off some of the back. > >>>>>>> And she is green=
underneath, not gray!> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> We haven't ever actually kept any =
of the geckos before, as they > >>>>>>> run all around our house, lanai and=
garden (Phelsuma laticauda, > >>>>>>> house - Hemidactylus frenatus, & Mou=
rning - Lepidodactylus > >>>>>>> lugubris). But we had to make an exception=
in her case, since she > >>>>>>> couldn't fend for herself. Usually we jus=
t take the hatchlings > >>>>>>> outside so they have a better chance of sur=
vival -- we have lots > >>>>>>> of big geckos running around inside and the=
y don't last long if > >>>>>>> we don't get to them first. :(> >>>>>>>> >>>=
>>>> Mahalo, Sherron> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>> ElizabethFreer@aol.com wrote:> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Sherron ~> =
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Try the humidity chamber trick. I can't view your photos=
at > >>>>>>>> home because my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don=
't > >>>>>>>> know how big this gecko is! However, my mourning geckos are 1=
" > >>>>>>>> 3/8" at hatching. Try placing your gecko in a vented plastic >=
>>>>>>>> container with a damp washcloth inside. Place this near a > >>>>>=
>>> light. Almost immediately you will notice beads of water > >>>>>>>> acc=
umulate on the sides/top of the container. After a few hours > >>>>>>>> or =
so perhaps you can remove the rings of old skin around her > >>>>>>>> neck =
gently with a tweezers or small scissors.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is the p=
roblem with her right leg? Might you have a new > >>>>>>>> pet here?> >>>>>=
>>>> >>>>>>>> Elizabeth> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Subj:[gecko]Question on hatchl=
ing Gold Dust Day Gecko having > >>>>>>>>> trouble shedding "egg skin"> >>>=
>>>>>> Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time> >>>>>>>>> From: gecko.=
hale@gmail.com (Sherron)> >>>>>>>>> Sender: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com> =
>>>>>>>>> Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com <mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com=
>> >>>>>>>>> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We found a ti=
ny hatchling on May 13 that was a little > >>>>>>>> underdeveloped and was =
still in that grayish skin they have when > >>>>>>>> they first come out of=
the shell. She was dehydrated and has a > >>>>>>>> problem with her right =
leg, but is spunky.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We haven't been able to release her=
outside like we do the rest > >>>>>>>> of the hatchings we find, as her ba=
d leg has kept her from being > >>>>>>>> very mobile, but she has been doin=
g pretty well eating tiny bugs > >>>>>>>> & aphids I collect for her. She h=
as also shown a real interest > >>>>>>>> in the fruit flies around her papa=
ya, but I don't think she has > >>>>>>>> managed to catch any yet.> >>>>>>>=
>> >>>>>>>> But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold & > =
>>>>>>>> clammy, so we put a heating pad near her cage to help warm her > >=
>>>>>>> up. It seems to have started her molting her "egg skin", but she > =
>>>>>>>> has a bunch of it around her neck that she can't get off.> >>>>>>>=
>> >>>>>>>> Is there anything we can do to help her? She is so tiny we don'=
t > >>>>>>>> see how we could try to cut it off! The rest of the skin excep=
t > >>>>>>>> for around her neck should slough off okay, but the stuff arou=
nd > >>>>>>>> her neck is several layers and is a ring, so it may be anothe=
r > >>>>>>>> matter. :(> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any help would be greatly appre=
ciated as she is really a spunky > >>>>>>>> little girl.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>=
> Mahalo, Sherron> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~~~geckos make my heart sin=
g (and dance)~~~> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> l l > >>>>>>>> l ^^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ > =
>>>>>>>> ^^ /..\ ^^> >>>>>>>> l l ^^ llll > >>>>>>>> \\\ l l llll ///> >>>>=
>>>> l l llll \\\> >>>>>>>> l l ~~ llll ///> >>>>>>>> ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~>=
>>>>>>>> ) ( )> >>>>>>>> ( ) (> >>>>>>>> ) ( )> >>>>>>>> lappert(a) robert=
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'>Oh yeah,<BR>
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One more thing...is it even legal to ship fruitflies to Hawaii.;)<BR>
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From: jacobsommers@hotmail.com<BR>To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com<BR>Subject: R=
E: [gecko]Li'i isn't cooperating!<BR>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:54:53 +0000<=
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Melody,<BR> <BR> If you have something to say to me say it direc=
tly to me. Don't be a passive aggressive bitch. I have seen no talk about g=
eckos here.I have seen a lot of overly sympathetic drama laden crap. No rea=
l exchange of legitimate information.The only people other than me and 1 or=
two others who participate in this train wreck of a "society's" list serve=
are clearly a bunch of social rejects who all wallow in each others thirst=
for acceptance from their fellow human beans. Sorry to be such a cranky di=
ck but I figured you'd been away from dick so long I'd just thrust one into=
your peaceful "passive" life. If you all want to actually get out of=
the cyber world and interact face to face with REAL GECKO PEOPLE I might s=
uggest you all attend the Reptile SUpershow in a couple of weeks.There will=
be a fantastic talk on geckos with at least 100 species photographed. Also=
the biggest gecko keepers in the world will be in attendance (ahem...me!!)=
And The Great JON BOONE!!Yipee!!You know the guy who pretty much built this=
dam sight with just his pics alone!! Hope to see you all there.My heart wi=
ll be singing for all of you.You should hear it it really is quite melodiou=
s ! <A href=3D"http://www.reptilesupershow.com/" target=3D_blank>www.reptil=
esupershow.com</A> <BR> <BR> Anyone heard about the next gecko ni=
ght? The next GECKO? Christ even the godam President of this pathetic joke =
doesn't do shit with geckos,never really did. I guess I should just be bann=
ed like his brother. I said it before nothing here but a bunch of overly-co=
mplimentary back patting bullshit.<BR> <BR> You have made the GE=
CKO GODS ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!! Now you need to fix things by tossing out a sacri=
ficial lamb. Just sacrifice the whole GGA it's pretty much the same thing a=
s a virgin...an untouched unloved waste of time.<BR> <BR> &=
nbsp; Get a life.<BR> <BR> P=
eace be with you,<BR> <BR> &n=
bsp;  =
; &n=
bsp; Jay "GG" Sommers<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<BR>> From: mhartley@ix.netcom.com<BR>> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com<B=
R>> Subject: Re: [gecko]Li'i isn't cooperating!<BR>> Date: Fri, 13 Ju=
n 2008 09:18:13 -0800<BR>> <BR>> Hi Sherron,<BR>> <BR>> How's L=
i'i doing?<BR>> <BR>> BTW don't let one cranky person scare you off, =
the rest of us were <BR>> having a good time talking about geckos and st=
uff ;-)<BR>> <BR>> Melody<BR>> <BR>> Sherron wrote:<BR>> <BR=
>> > Aloha, Melody<BR>> > <BR>> > Thanks for the info on =
Ed's, I will see if they can ship to me. Or will <BR>> > see if Sunsh=
ine will take me with your references. So much appreciated! ;)<BR>> >=
<BR>> > We are trying to get that tail skin off again and are having=
so many <BR>> > problems! We thought she was hard to handle before, =
but now she is a <BR>> > little terror!! She is faster than a speedin=
g bullet -- must be all <BR>> > those fruit flies she is eating! We d=
on't know how to actually hold her <BR>> > down -- we are afraid we w=
ill break her, as she is so tiny and she is <BR>> > really fast! She =
is only holding still for a fraction of a second -- <BR>> > she knows=
the drill now, and all the tricks to get away.<BR>> > <BR>> > =
Dennis tries to wet her skin and get a grip with the tweezers while I <BR>&=
gt; > try to keep her from leaping off his lap. But she is a real moving=
target!<BR>> > <BR>> > And now she is doing something else tha=
t has us worried -- she keeps <BR>> > opening her mouth really wild a=
nd gaping. She doesn't make any noise so <BR>> > I don't know if she =
is gasping for air or not, but I don't think we <BR>> > could hear he=
r if she was. I know she hates what we are doing, but we <BR>> > aren=
't sure if she is really in distress or not. My husband got worried <BR>>=
; > so we put her back in the steam bath to loosen the skin up some more=
(it <BR>> > moved only a tiny bit), but I wondered if you could shed=
some light on <BR>> > the gaping.<BR>> > I know some animals, =
like birds, can actually die from emotional <BR>> > distress, but I d=
on't think geckos fall into that category. Will it hurt <BR>> > her i=
f we continue even though she is showing signs of acute distress? <BR>> =
> Or could there really be something wrong with her that we just haven't=
<BR>> > noticed before? I know she was eating today as I saw her cat=
ch and eat <BR>> > at least a couple of fruit flies earlier this morn=
ing.<BR>> > <BR>> > Or is the little stinker smarter than us an=
d has just gotten us figured <BR>> > out already and knows what butto=
ns to push? ;)<BR>> > <BR>> > Cooston where I grew up wasn't mu=
ch of a town, either. And we lived <BR>> > about 10 miles outside of =
it anyway. The closest "big" town to us was <BR>> > North Bend/Coos B=
ay. I have very fond memories of Oregon, though. It was <BR>> > a gre=
at place to grow up, especially for a tomboy like me. I always <BR>> >=
; loved all the animals and the woods ... I had pet frogs, salamanders, <BR=
>> > timber beetles, snakes, lizards, chickens, crawdads, chipmunks, =
anything <BR>> > I could get my hands on. I used to drive my poor mom=
wild. ;)<BR>> > <BR>> > Oh and the berries! There is no place =
like Oregon for the berries! <BR>> > Salmonberries, huckleberries, th=
imbleberries, blackberries .. yumm! My <BR>> > best friend and I drov=
e from Southern California up through Oregon to <BR>> > where we live=
d about 10 years ago and stopped for blackberries along the <BR>> > w=
ay every place we spotted them! Great trip! ;)<BR>> > <BR>> > T=
hanks,<BR>> > Sherron<BR>> > <BR>> > Melody Hartley wrote=
:<BR>> > <BR>> >> Hi Sharron,<BR>> >><BR>> >&=
gt; I get fruit flies from Ed's Fly Meat, http://www.edsflymeatinc.com.<BR>=
> >> They're near Seattle Washington. (There is no Ed, that's for =
Erin and<BR>> >> Dave -- nice folks!) If they can't ship to Hawaii=
they might know of<BR>> >> someone near you who keeps dart frogs =
and would help. I'd suggest also<BR>> >> getting a bag of their fr=
uit fly medium so you can raise your own. It's<BR>> >> pretty easy=
, and I can give you some tips if/when you get to that. I<BR>> >> =
think they sell supplements too, so might have the Rep-Cal. If your<BR>>=
>> gecko gets UVB from natural direct sunshine (not through a window=
) you<BR>> >> don't need the kind with D3 in it.<BR>> >><=
BR>> >> Elizabeth suggested Sunshine Mealworms, and I agree. They'=
re in<BR>> >> Silverton Oregon. I think they are not taking new me=
alworm customers<BR>> >> for a while, but you might tell them that=
Elizabeth and I recommended<BR>> >> them and maybe that will make=
a difference ;-)<BR>> >><BR>> >> You mentioned that you =
thought the old skin on Li'i's tail is getting<BR>> >> tighter. Sh=
e is probably just growing on your hand-fed gourmet diet!<BR>> >> =
Geckos store fat in their tails. An idea on removing the skin: See if<BR>&g=
t; >> you can get it to split by using 2 pairs of tweezers and gently=
pulling<BR>> >> on the edge closest to her body. This probably wo=
uld need a second<BR>> >> person holding the gecko.<BR>> >&g=
t;<BR>> >> Aloha is about 10 miles west of Portland, between Beave=
rton and<BR>> >> Hillsboro. It's not exactly a town -- everything =
runs together here now<BR>> >> and it never was much of a town. Bu=
t I like the name too ;-D<BR>> >><BR>> >> My geckos would=
love some of those big fruit flies! I'm sure you can't<BR>> >> sh=
ip them to Oregon though, LOL!<BR>> >><BR>> >> Best of lu=
ck!<BR>> >> Melody<BR>> >><BR>> >> Gecko wrote:<=
BR>> >><BR>> >>> Aloha, Melody<BR>> >>><BR=
>> >>> Flightless fruit flies!! Wouldn't she like that!! I will=
have to <BR>> >>> google for them and see if I can get them in=
to Hawaii! I have to <BR>> >>> have an import license to have m=
ealworms shipped to me to feed the <BR>> >>> geckos! Right now,=
we are having problems finding someone to ship <BR>> >>> quick=
ly enough in the summer, even with the license. We need a good <BR>> >=
;>> supplier that ships from somewhere near the west coast as all the=
<BR>> >>> places I know are mid or east coast. A mealworm impo=
rt license is $50 <BR>> >>> a year for unlimited shipments -- a=
nd they all go through Honolulu <BR>> >>> for inspection! If fl=
ightless fruit flies are on the list, they would <BR>> >>> cost=
the same. Hawaii actually has a great endemic fruit fly that is <BR>> &=
gt;>> huge -- about the size of a small house fly. Too big for our li=
ttle <BR>> >>> Preemie girl as it is almost the size of her hea=
d! Pretty neat, though!<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Yes, I wo=
uld be interested in your source for the flies. I can always <BR>> >&=
gt;> ask them if they ship here. We did find a small scissors on a Swiss=
<BR>> >>> army knife, so my job has become easier and faster, =
thank goodness! <BR>> >>> I can sometimes now just hold them wi=
th my fingers and clip them! <BR>> >>> Much easier! ;)<BR>> =
>>><BR>> >>> We are watching the tail skin. I worry th=
at it is too tight on her. <BR>> >>> And it seems to make her t=
ail less flexible. But we dread trying to <BR>> >>> get it off,=
as she really seems unhappy when we try to work on her <BR>> >>&g=
t; tail. Not that she liked the rest of it, but that part always <BR>> &=
gt;>> bothered her the most and she would take off like a bolt!!<BR>&=
gt; >>><BR>> >>> Hey, I am a webfoot as I was born in =
Oregon in Myrtle Point! We moved <BR>> >>> away to England for =
a year when I was 11, 'though, so I am not real <BR>> >>> famil=
iar with where places are. I have not heard of Aloha in Oregon, <BR>> &g=
t;>> but I sure like the name! ;)<BR>> >>><BR>> >&g=
t;> Mahalo,<BR>> >>> Sherron<BR>> >>><BR>> &g=
t;>> Melody Hartley wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>&=
gt; Aloha Sharron,<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> You ar=
e so patient and dedicated!! This little one is so lucky to <BR>> >&g=
t;>> have you, since I'm sure she would have been someone's lunch <BR=
>> >>>> otherwise. If she goes on eating fruit flies, you kn=
ow you can <BR>> >>>> raise flightess fruit flies, and that =
might be easier. I do that <BR>> >>>> because I keep a few d=
art frogs, but I use them for hatchling geckos <BR>> >>>> to=
o. You'd have to get a starter culture from someone, or get one <BR>> &g=
t;>>> shipped to you if allowed, and keep them strictly separate f=
rom the <BR>> >>>> flying ones because "flightless" is a rec=
essive gene. I can give <BR>> >>>> you more info if you're i=
nterested.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> Do you have th=
e little bugs in the soil called springtails? Or any <BR>> >>>&=
gt; other tiny bugs you could catch, maybe aphids? I'd hate for you go <BR>=
> >>>> blind clipping fruit fly wings, LOL!<BR>> >>=
>><BR>> >>>> As to the last bits of shedding, she migh=
t lose the extra skin on <BR>> >>>> the next shed. I've only=
gotten the tail skin off by peeling front <BR>> >>>> to bac=
k, like turning a cone inside out.<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>=
;>> The town in Oregon that I live in is named "Aloha" although <BR>&=
gt; >>>> pronounced differently -- emphasis on the "lo" part an=
d a soft "h" <BR>> >>>> -- ah-LO-ah.<BR>> >>>>=
;<BR>> >>>> It's also nice to see some activity on this list=
;-)<BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> Melody<BR>> >&=
gt;>><BR>> >>>> Gecko wrote:<BR>> >>>><=
BR>> >>>>> Aloha, Melody<BR>> >>>>><BR>=
> >>>>> Thanks for these ideas. I never thought of a pain=
tbrush, but that <BR>> >>>>> would be softer and probably=
hold the moisture better. ;)<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>=
>>> Her toes kept sticking to the washcloth, so we did lay a paper=
<BR>> >>>>> towel on top of it and she liked that better=
.<BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>> Now that she is=
back in her regular house, she is on banana leaf <BR>> >>>>=
> with red ti, honeysuckle, and helekonia. We used to have her on <BR>&g=
t; >>>>> paper towels, but she really seems to like the bana=
na leaf and we <BR>> >>>>> have tons of them. And the red=
ti is her favorite for hanging out <BR>> >>>>> on. And a=
ll the day geckos like the helekonia -- that and the <BR>> >>>&=
gt;> bananas are their favorite hangouts ... along with our lanai and <B=
R>> >>>>> house. ;)<BR>> >>>>><BR>> =
>>>>> Mahalo,<BR>> >>>>> Sherron<BR>> &=
gt;>>>><BR>> >>>>><BR>> >>>>&g=
t;<BR>> >>>>> Melody Hartley wrote:<BR>> >>>&=
gt;><BR>> >>>>>> Slightly different method -- I use=
a paper towel rather than a <BR>> >>>>>> washcloth in=
the humid box, and float the whole box in a sink full <BR>> >>>=
;>>> of warm water for the heat. A small soft paintbrush can also =
be <BR>> >>>>>> helpful for wetting the old skin and w=
orking it loose.<BR>> >>>>>><BR>> >>>>&=
gt;> elizabethfreer@aol.com wrote:<BR>> >>>>>><BR>&=
gt; >>>>>>> And Aloha Sherron ~<BR>> >>>&g=
t;>>> <BR>> >>>>>>> Thanks for these detai=
ls. Please try the humidity chamber near a <BR>> >>>>>>=
;> lamp for a few hours. Use a wet washcloth that has been wrung <BR>>=
; >>>>>>> out and place it in the vented, plastic cont=
ainer. Watch the <BR>> >>>>>>> water droplets form.=
After only a few hours I imagine her skin <BR>> >>>>>>=
;> might be loose enough to start a split.<BR>> >>>>>&=
gt;><BR>> >>>>>>> Another idea! Have something l=
ike a twig, small branch, or a <BR>> >>>>>>> sectio=
n of choya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle <BR>> >>=
;>>>>> up against to assist in the shed.<BR>> >>>=
;>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> I hope the skin shed=
helps her right leg work more efficiently!<BR>> >>>>>>=
;> <BR>> >>>>>>> Keep us posted!<BR>> >>=
;>>>>> <BR>> >>>>>>> Wish I lived ne=
ar the beach in a place warm enough where geckos <BR>> >>>>&=
gt;>> roamed freely ;-]<BR>> >>>>>>> <BR>>=
>>>>>>> Elizabeth<BR>> >>>>>>>=
;<BR>> >>>>>>> Aloha, Elizabeth<BR>> >>>=
;>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> She is about 3/4" fr=
om nose to vent -- she is the smallest <BR>> >>>>>>>=
; day gecko<BR>> >>>>>>> hatchling we have ever see=
n, although some of our mourning gecko<BR>> >>>>>>>=
hatchlings are even tinier.<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> &=
gt;>>>>>> This sounds like it might work! If it would jus=
t soften <BR>> >>>>>>> enough to<BR>> >>&g=
t;>>>> pull off her or get a split started, I think we could ge=
t the <BR>> >>>>>>> neck<BR>> >>>>&g=
t;>> skin off. We have been misting her little cage and putting a<BR>=
> >>>>>>> heating pad next to it, but that only hel=
ps a little and wasn't<BR>> >>>>>>> keeping the hum=
idity up high enough.<BR>> >>>>>>> She has never se=
emed to be able to fully control her right <BR>> >>>>>>=
;> leg, and<BR>> >>>>>>> her right foot is small=
er than her left and the toes kind of <BR>> >>>>>>>=
clumped<BR>> >>>>>>> together. She often tends to =
move the joint and leg together <BR>> >>>>>>> as a<=
BR>> >>>>>>> unit, so there may be something wrong =
with the joint, too. <BR>> >>>>>>> Although<BR>>=
>>>>>>> in watching her with the skin problem, some o=
f that may just <BR>> >>>>>>> be the<BR>> >&g=
t;>>>>> skin being so tight it restricts her movement.<BR>&g=
t; >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> Usuall=
y when we find the hatchlings, most of that first skin has<BR>> >>=
>>>>> already been shed, but she was fully covered with it a=
nd it <BR>> >>>>>>> has only<BR>> >>>&g=
t;>>> recently started splitting. We do think it hinders her use o=
f <BR>> >>>>>>> her<BR>> >>>>>>=
;> limbs -- her arms are only about the size of thin pencil <BR>> >=
;>>>>>> lead, and<BR>> >>>>>>> th=
e skin seems to fully coat those.<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>&=
gt; >>>>>>> She has been doing okay up until the last =
couple of days, <BR>> >>>>>>> though,<BR>> >&=
gt;>>>>> when the skin (I hope that it isn't something else,=
too) started<BR>> >>>>>>> really becoming a proble=
m. She now gets around by lurching <BR>> >>>>>>> he=
r body<BR>> >>>>>>> back and forth because her litt=
le arms & legs are still <BR>> >>>>>>> encased =
in<BR>> >>>>>>> the skin, although it has come off =
some of the back. And she is<BR>> >>>>>>> green und=
erneath, not gray!<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>=
;>>>> We haven't ever actually kept any of the geckos before, a=
s <BR>> >>>>>>> they run<BR>> >>>>&g=
t;>> all around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma laticauda, <BR>=
> >>>>>>> house -<BR>> >>>>>>&=
gt; Hemidactylus frenatus, & Mourning - Lepidodactylus lugubris). <BR>&=
gt; >>>>>>> But we<BR>> >>>>>>>=
; had to make an exception in her case, since she couldn't fend <BR>> &g=
t;>>>>>> for<BR>> >>>>>>> herself=
. Usually we just take the hatchlings outside so they <BR>> >>>=
>>>> have a<BR>> >>>>>>> better chance =
of survival -- we have lots of big geckos running<BR>> >>>>&=
gt;>> around inside and they don't last long if we don't get to <BR>&=
gt; >>>>>>> them first. :(<BR>> >>>>>=
;>><BR>> >>>>>>> Mahalo, Sherron<BR>> >=
>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >&=
gt;>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >&g=
t;>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>=
;>>>>> ElizabethFreer@aol.com wrote:<BR>> >>>>=
;>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> Hello Sherron ~<BR>&=
gt; >>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>&g=
t; Try the humidity chamber trick. I can't view your photos at <BR>> >=
;>>>>>>> home<BR>> >>>>>>>>=
because my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don't <BR>> >>=
;>>>>>> know how<BR>> >>>>>>>>=
big this gecko is! However, my mourning geckos are 1" 3/8" at<BR>> >=
>>>>>>> hatching. Try placing your gecko in a vented p=
lastic container<BR>> >>>>>>>> with a damp washc=
loth inside. Place this near a light. Almost<BR>> >>>>>&g=
t;>> immediately you will notice beads of water accumulate on the<BR>=
> >>>>>>>> sides/top of the container. After a f=
ew hours or so perhaps <BR>> >>>>>>>> you<BR>>=
; >>>>>>>> can remove the rings of old skin around =
her neck gently with a<BR>> >>>>>>>> tweezers or=
small scissors.<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>&=
gt;>>>>> What is the problem with her right leg? Might you h=
ave a <BR>> >>>>>>>> new pet<BR>> >>>=
;>>>>> here?<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>>=
; >>>>>>>> Elizabeth<BR>> >>>>>&g=
t;>><BR>> >>>>>>>>> Subj:[gecko]Questio=
n on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having<BR>> >>>>>>&=
gt;>> trouble shedding "egg skin"<BR>> >>>>>>>=
;>> Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time<BR>> >>>=
>>>>>> From: gecko.hale@gmail.com (Sherron)<BR>> >&=
gt;>>>>>>> Sender: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com<BR>&g=
t; >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: gecko@lists.gekkota.com <=
BR>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota=
.com><BR>> >>>>>>>>> To: gecko@lists.gekko=
ta.com<BR>> >>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>=
;>>>> We found a tiny hatchling on May 13 that was a little<BR>=
> >>>>>>>> underdeveloped and was still in that =
grayish skin they have <BR>> >>>>>>>> when<BR>&g=
t; >>>>>>>> they first come out of the shell. She w=
as dehydrated and has a<BR>> >>>>>>>> problem wi=
th her right leg, but is spunky.<BR>> >>>>>>>><B=
R>> >>>>>>>> We haven't been able to release her=
outside like we do the <BR>> >>>>>>>> rest of<B=
R>> >>>>>>>> the hatchings we find, as her bad l=
eg has kept her from <BR>> >>>>>>>> being very<B=
R>> >>>>>>>> mobile, but she has been doing pret=
ty well eating tiny bugs &<BR>> >>>>>>>> aph=
ids I collect for her. She has also shown a real interest in<BR>> >&g=
t;>>>>>> the fruit flies around her papaya, but I don't t=
hink she has<BR>> >>>>>>>> managed to catch any =
yet.<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>&=
gt;>> But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold &=
;<BR>> >>>>>>>> clammy, so we put a heating pad =
near her cage to help warm <BR>> >>>>>>>> her up=
.<BR>> >>>>>>>> It seems to have started her mol=
ting her "egg skin", but she <BR>> >>>>>>>> has =
a<BR>> >>>>>>>> bunch of it around her neck that=
she can't get off.<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >&g=
t;>>>>>> Is there anything we can do to help her? She is =
so tiny we <BR>> >>>>>>>> don't<BR>> >>=
>>>>>> see how we could try to cut it off! The rest of th=
e skin except<BR>> >>>>>>>> for around her neck =
should slough off okay, but the stuff <BR>> >>>>>>>=
> around<BR>> >>>>>>>> her neck is several la=
yers and is a ring, so it may be another<BR>> >>>>>>&g=
t;> matter. :(<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>=
>>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is re=
ally a spunky<BR>> >>>>>>>> little girl.<BR>>=
>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> =
Mahalo, Sherron <BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>&=
gt;>>><BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>&g=
t;>>><BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>=
;>>><BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>=
>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> >>>>>>>=
; From: Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com><BR>> >>>>>>=
> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com<BR>> >>>>>>> Sent:=
Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:21 am<BR>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re:=
[gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko <BR>> >>>>=
>>> having trouble shedding ...<BR>> >>>>>>&g=
t;<BR>> >>>>>>> Aloha, Elizabeth<BR>> >>&g=
t;>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> She is about 3/4" f=
rom nose to vent -- she is the smallest day <BR>> >>>>>&g=
t;> gecko hatchling we have ever seen, although some of our mourning <BR=
>> >>>>>>> gecko hatchlings are even tinier.<BR>>=
; >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> This so=
unds like it might work! If it would just soften enough <BR>> >>&g=
t;>>>> to pull off her or get a split started, I think we could=
get the <BR>> >>>>>>> neck skin off. We have been =
misting her little cage and putting <BR>> >>>>>>> a=
heating pad next to it, but that only helps a little and wasn't <BR>> &=
gt;>>>>>> keeping the humidity up high enough.<BR>> &g=
t;>>>>>> She has never seemed to be able to fully control=
her right leg, <BR>> >>>>>>> and her right foot is=
smaller than her left and the toes kind of <BR>> >>>>>&g=
t;> clumped together. She often tends to move the joint and leg <BR>>=
>>>>>>> together as a unit, so there may be something=
wrong with the <BR>> >>>>>>> joint, too. Although =
in watching her with the skin problem, some <BR>> >>>>>&g=
t;> of that may just be the skin being so tight it restricts her <BR>>=
; >>>>>>> movement.<BR>> >>>>>>&g=
t;<BR>> >>>>>>> Usually when we find the hatchlings=
, most of that first skin has <BR>> >>>>>>> already=
been shed, but she was fully covered with it and it has <BR>> >>&=
gt;>>>> only recently started splitting. We do think it hinders=
her use <BR>> >>>>>>> of her limbs -- her arms are=
only about the size of thin pencil <BR>> >>>>>>> l=
ead, and the skin seems to fully coat those.<BR>> >>>>>&g=
t;><BR>> >>>>>>> She has been doing okay up unti=
l the last couple of days, though, <BR>> >>>>>>> wh=
en the skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started <BR>> >=
;>>>>>> really becoming a problem. She now gets around by=
lurching her <BR>> >>>>>>> body back and forth bec=
ause her little arms & legs are still <BR>> >>>>>>=
> encased in the skin, although it has come off some of the back. <BR>&g=
t; >>>>>>> And she is green underneath, not gray!<BR>&=
gt; >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> We ha=
ven't ever actually kept any of the geckos before, as they <BR>> >>=
;>>>>> run all around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma =
laticauda, <BR>> >>>>>>> house - Hemidactylus frena=
tus, & Mourning - Lepidodactylus <BR>> >>>>>>> =
lugubris). But we had to make an exception in her case, since she <BR>> =
>>>>>>> couldn't fend for herself. Usually we just tak=
e the hatchlings <BR>> >>>>>>> outside so they have=
a better chance of survival -- we have lots <BR>> >>>>>&=
gt;> of big geckos running around inside and they don't last long if <BR=
>> >>>>>>> we don't get to them first. :(<BR>> &=
gt;>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>> Mahalo, Sh=
erron<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>=
><BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>&=
gt;<BR>> >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>&g=
t;<BR>> >>>>>>> ElizabethFreer@aol.com wrote:<BR>&g=
t; >>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> He=
llo Sherron ~<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>>=
>>>>> Try the humidity chamber trick. I can't view your phot=
os at <BR>> >>>>>>>> home because my laptop is r=
eally memory-challenged, so I don't <BR>> >>>>>>>&g=
t; know how big this gecko is! However, my mourning geckos are 1" <BR>> =
>>>>>>>> 3/8" at hatching. Try placing your gecko i=
n a vented plastic <BR>> >>>>>>>> container with=
a damp washcloth inside. Place this near a <BR>> >>>>>&g=
t;>> light. Almost immediately you will notice beads of water <BR>>=
; >>>>>>>> accumulate on the sides/top of the conta=
iner. After a few hours <BR>> >>>>>>>> or so per=
haps you can remove the rings of old skin around her <BR>> >>>&=
gt;>>>> neck gently with a tweezers or small scissors.<BR>> =
>>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> W=
hat is the problem with her right leg? Might you have a new <BR>> >&g=
t;>>>>>> pet here?<BR>> >>>>>>>&g=
t;<BR>> >>>>>>>> Elizabeth<BR>> >>>&=
gt;>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>>> Subj:[geck=
o]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having <BR>> >>>>=
;>>>>> trouble shedding "egg skin"<BR>> >>>>&=
gt;>>>> Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time<BR>> &g=
t;>>>>>>>> From: gecko.hale@gmail.com (Sherron)<BR>=
> >>>>>>>>> Sender: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota=
.com<BR>> >>>>>>>>> Reply-to: gecko@lists.gek=
kota.com <mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com><BR>> >>>>>=
;>>>> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com<BR>> >>>>>&=
gt;>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> We found a tiny ha=
tchling on May 13 that was a little <BR>> >>>>>>>&g=
t; underdeveloped and was still in that grayish skin they have when <BR>>=
; >>>>>>>> they first come out of the shell. She wa=
s dehydrated and has a <BR>> >>>>>>>> problem wi=
th her right leg, but is spunky.<BR>> >>>>>>>><B=
R>> >>>>>>>> We haven't been able to release her=
outside like we do the rest <BR>> >>>>>>>> of t=
he hatchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from being <BR>> >&=
gt;>>>>>> very mobile, but she has been doing pretty well=
eating tiny bugs <BR>> >>>>>>>> & aphids I =
collect for her. She has also shown a real interest <BR>> >>>&g=
t;>>>> in the fruit flies around her papaya, but I don't think =
she has <BR>> >>>>>>>> managed to catch any yet.=
<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>&=
gt;> But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold & <B=
R>> >>>>>>>> clammy, so we put a heating pad nea=
r her cage to help warm her <BR>> >>>>>>>> up. I=
t seems to have started her molting her "egg skin", but she <BR>> >&g=
t;>>>>>> has a bunch of it around her neck that she can't=
get off.<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>=
>>>> Is there anything we can do to help her? She is so tiny we=
don't <BR>> >>>>>>>> see how we could try to cu=
t it off! The rest of the skin except <BR>> >>>>>>>=
> for around her neck should slough off okay, but the stuff around <BR>&=
gt; >>>>>>>> her neck is several layers and is a ri=
ng, so it may be another <BR>> >>>>>>>> matter. =
:(<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>=
;>> Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is really a spunky <=
BR>> >>>>>>>> little girl.<BR>> >>>&=
gt;>>>><BR>> >>>>>>>> Mahalo, Sherro=
n<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>>=
>><BR>> >>>>>>>> ~~~geckos make my heart s=
ing (and dance)~~~<BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>=
;>>>>>> l l <BR>> >>>>>>>> l ^=
^ /..\ ^^ /..\ ^^ <BR>> >>>>>>>> ^^ /..\ ^^<BR>&=
gt; >>>>>>>> l l ^^ llll <BR>> >>>>&=
gt;>>> \\\ l l llll ///<BR>> >>>>>>>> l=
l llll \\\<BR>> >>>>>>>> l l ~~ llll ///<BR>>=
; >>>>>>>> ~~ ( ~~ ) ~~ ~~ ( ~~<BR>> >>>=
;>>>>> ) ( )<BR>> >>>>>>>> ( ) (<=
BR>> >>>>>>>> ) ( )<BR>> >>>>>=
>>> lappert(a) robert(a) <BR>> >>>>>>>>=
hubert(a)<BR>> >>>>>>>> 17.50 yo <BR>> >&=
gt;>>>>>> r.i.p. r.i.p.<BR>> >>>>>>&=
gt;> (All Lepidodactylus lugubris!)<BR>> >>>>>>>=
> <BR>> >>>>>>>><BR>> >>>>>=
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(on the Big Island of <BR>> >>>>>>> Hawaii)<BR>>=
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