[gecko]Before and after euthanasia, and Hawaii's geckos
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Lyle ~
Spurred by?an article of Greg's in a Chit-Chat (Life After Death?),?I once sent Greg a Lepidodactylus lugubris embryo packed in dry ice?that had developed two heads with something of a third head on top.? This is an excellent way to educate!
Elizabeth
Excellent points Dr. Werner
On donation, Gregory Watkins Colwell at Yale takes frozen specimens.
Anyone in the NY Metro region can drop them with me or meet me at the White Plains Expo.
Lyle
Lyle Puente
President
Global Gecko Association
http://www.gekkota.org
http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com
http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned
On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:29 PM, yehudah werner wrote:
Hello,
??? The recent messages re geckos requiring euthanasia and this being problematic on Hawaiian islands, stimulate 3 comments.
??? 1, A gecko that drops off the ceiling and/or lands other than on its four feet is probably sick to begin with.?
??? 2, Even geckos don't live forever. What does everybody do with the dead pets? They should be donated (with maximum info on their origin, age etc.) to some public museum collection.
??? 3, To my understanding, on Hawaii, the colonizing day geckos are semi-banned not for their endangering the local insects (this is already done by the local geckos) but because they displace the local geckos. This of course means that they displace Hemidactylus frenatus, who?since arrival in?the 1940s has been displacing Hemidactylus garnotii, who arrived much earlier. The moral difference between the waves of invasion is that the early invasions were unintentional (which is natural for commensal geckos), whereas the latest is supected of having been intentional (artificial).
??? Hoping to have served, Yehudah
??? ?
Yehudah L. Werner
Professor Emeritus of Zoology
Department of Evolution, Systematics and Ecology
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
91904 Jerusalem, Israel
Tel. 972-2-6585874 (direct)
Fax 972-2-6584741 (departmental office)
e-mail yehudah_w@yahoo.com
Home tel./fax 972-2-5665576
-----Original Message-----
From: Lyle Puente <lylepuente@optonline.net>
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Sent: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: [gecko]Before and after euthanasia, and Hawaii's geckos
Excellent points Dr. Werner
On donation, Gregory Watkins Colwell at Yale takes frozen specimens.
Anyone in the NY Metro region can drop them with me or meet me at the White Plains Expo.
Lyle
Lyle Puente
President
Global Gecko Association
http://www.gekkota.org
http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com
http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned
On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:29 PM, yehudah werner wrote:
Hello,
??? The recent messages re geckos requiring euthanasia and this being problematic on Hawaiian islands, stimulate 3 comments.
??? 1, A gecko that drops off the ceiling and/or lands other than on its four feet is probably sick to begin with.?
??? 2, Even geckos don't live forever. What does everybody do with the dead pets? They should be donated (with maximum info on their origin, age etc.) to some public museum collection.
??? 3, To my understanding, on Hawaii, the colonizing day geckos are semi-banned not for their endangering the local insects (this is already done by the local geckos) but because they displace the local geckos. This of course means that they displace Hemidactylus frenatus, who?since arrival in?the 1940s has been displacing Hemidactylus garnotii, who arrived much earlier. The moral difference between the waves of invasion is that the early invasions were unintentional (which is natural for commensal geckos), whereas the latest is supected of having been intentional (artificial).
??? Hoping to have served, Yehudah
??? ?
Yehudah L. Werner
Professor Emeritus of Zoology
Department of Evolution, Systematics and Ecology
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem
91904 Jerusalem, Israel
Tel. 972-2-6585874 (direct)
Fax 972-2-6584741 (departmental office)
e-mail yehudah_w@yahoo.com
Home tel./fax 972-2-5665576
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Lyle ~<br>
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Spurred by an article of Greg's in a Chit-Chat (Life After Death?), I once sent Greg a Lepidodactylus lugubris embryo packed in dry ice that had developed two heads with something of a third head on top. This is an excellent way to educate!<br>
<br>
Elizabeth<br>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 3px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid">Excellent points Dr. Werner
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<div>On donation, Gregory Watkins Colwell at Yale takes frozen specimens.</div>
<div>Anyone in the NY Metro region can drop them with me or meet me at the White Plains Expo.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lyle</div>
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<div>Lyle Puente</div>
<div>President</div>
<div>Global Gecko Association</div>
<div><A href="http://www.gekkota.org/" target=_blank>http://www.gekkota.org</A></div>
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<div><A href="http://www.mybrothersbanned.com/" target=_blank>http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com</A></div>
<div><A href="http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned" target=_blank>http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned</A></div>
<div><BR class=webkit-block-placeholder></div>
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<div>On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:29 PM, yehudah werner wrote:</div>
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<div>Hello,</div>
<div> The recent messages re geckos requiring euthanasia and this being problematic on Hawaiian islands, stimulate 3 comments.</div>
<div> 1, A gecko that drops off the ceiling and/or lands other than on its four feet is probably sick to begin with. </div>
<div> 2, Even geckos don't live forever. What does everybody do with the dead pets? They should be donated (with maximum info on their origin, age etc.) to some public museum collection.</div>
<div> 3, To my understanding, on Hawaii, the colonizing day geckos are semi-banned not for their endangering the local insects (this is already done by the local geckos) but because they displace the local geckos. This of course means that they displace <EM>Hemidactylus</EM> <EM>frenatus</EM>, who since arrival in the 1940s has been displacing <EM>Hemidactylus</EM> <EM>garnotii</EM>, who arrived much earlier. The moral difference between the waves of invasion is that the early invasions were unintentional (which is natural for commensal geckos), whereas the latest is supected of having been intentional (artificial).</div>
<div> Hoping to have served, Yehudah</div>
<div> </div>
<br>
<br>
Yehudah L. Werner<br>
Professor Emeritus of Zoology<br>
Department of Evolution, Systematics and Ecology<br>
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem<br>
91904 Jerusalem, Israel<br>
Tel. 972-2-6585874 (direct)<br>
Fax 972-2-6584741 (departmental office)<br>
e-mail <A href="mailto:yehudah_w@yahoo.com">yehudah_w@yahoo.com</A><br>
Home tel./fax 972-2-5665576</div>
</div>
</BLOCKQUOTE><br>
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<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Lyle Puente <lylepuente@optonline.net><br>
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com<br>
Sent: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:01 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [gecko]Before and after euthanasia, and Hawaii's geckos<br>
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<div id=AOLMsgPart_2_76cfe72f-3781-480c-804c-a788dcbac7cb>Excellent points Dr. Werner
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On donation, Gregory Watkins Colwell at Yale takes frozen specimens.</div>
<div>Anyone in the NY Metro region can drop them with me or meet me at the White Plains Expo.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lyle</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; webkit-nbsp-mode: space; webkit-line-break: after-white-space"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica">
<div>
<div>Lyle Puente</div>
<div>President</div>
<div>Global Gecko Association</div>
<div><A href="http://www.gekkota.org/" target=_blank>http://www.gekkota.org</A></div>
<div><BR class=webkit-block-placeholder></div>
<div><A href="http://www.mybrothersbanned.com/" target=_blank>http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com</A></div>
<div><A href="http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned" target=_blank>http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned</A></div>
<div><BR class=webkit-block-placeholder></div>
</div>
</SPAN></div>
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<div>On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:29 PM, yehudah werner wrote:</div>
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<div>Hello,</div>
<div> The recent messages re geckos requiring euthanasia and this being problematic on Hawaiian islands, stimulate 3 comments.</div>
<div> 1, A gecko that drops off the ceiling and/or lands other than on its four feet is probably sick to begin with. </div>
<div> 2, Even geckos don't live forever. What does everybody do with the dead pets? They should be donated (with maximum info on their origin, age etc.) to some public museum collection.</div>
<div> 3, To my understanding, on Hawaii, the colonizing day geckos are semi-banned not for their endangering the local insects (this is already done by the local geckos) but because they displace the local geckos. This of course means that they displace <EM>Hemidactylus</EM> <EM>frenatus</EM>, who since arrival in the 1940s has been displacing <EM>Hemidactylus</EM> <EM>garnotii</EM>, who arrived much earlier. The moral difference between the waves of invasion is that the early invasions were unintentional (which is natural for commensal geckos), whereas the latest is supected of having been intentional (artificial).</div>
<div> Hoping to have served, Yehudah</div>
<div> </div>
<br>
<br>
Yehudah L. Werner<br>
Professor Emeritus of Zoology<br>
Department of Evolution, Systematics and Ecology<br>
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem<br>
91904 Jerusalem, Israel<br>
Tel. 972-2-6585874 (direct)<br>
Fax 972-2-6584741 (departmental office)<br>
e-mail <A href="mailto:yehudah_w@yahoo.com">yehudah_w@yahoo.com</A><br>
Home tel./fax 972-2-5665576
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