[gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ...
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Sherron ~
You are totally welcome for the assistance I was able to give thanks to this
Global Gecko Association listserv!
I really appreciate your detailed photos. As they say, "A picture is worth a
thousand words."
If judging by photos is a reliable sign, her belly definitely seems to be
full of the bugs you've been catching. If she proves to be a long-term captive
you may want to dust her bugs with a calcium supplement. That will be easier
once she is eating bigger stuff ;-} I recommend Rep-Cal Phosphorus-Free
Ultrafine Powder with D3. Can you get that on the island?
Your survivor needs a name! You've given her a new life!!! How is her gait
since you've removed the excess skin except for her tail? In your recent
photos her right leg seems to bend like normal.
The thing about retained skin, which may have ultimately been affecting her
breathing (?) is that the digit (toe) can become necrotic and then slough off.
That is why I'm worried about the retained skin on her tail as I said in an
earlier post tonight. You have resolved the crucial things first while still
saving the "patient". So in a few days you can try again with her tail.
Cheers!
Elizabeth
> Subj:Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble
> shedding ... Ok! But what about the tail?
> Date:6/5/08 11:07:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> From: gecko.hale@gmail.com (Sherron)
> Sender: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com
> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com">gecko@lists.gekkota.com</A>
> To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
>
> Aloha, Elizabeth
>
> Oh, she is VERY active!!! She doesn't hold still for more than a few
> seconds and she is so tiny, we are afraid to try to hold her down!
>
> But we have now managed to get everything off except the skin on her tail.
> We had hoped that she might be able to chew it off since that is all that is
> left, but she doesn't seem to be doing so. Will the skin wear off by itself
> just from her moving around or do we need to make sure it is off, too? We are
> just so afraid of the tail breaking off.
>
> We did notice that she has a toe on her right foot that seems blackened and
> crumpled. And the lines on the bottoms of her hands don't seem very well
> developed.
>
> Right foot Right hand
>
>
> We had to repeat the steam bath/clean-up routines multiple times and she
> didn't like it, but she was really a good girl. She is very alert & curious and
> always comes out to look at us when we go over to look in her cage. ;)
>
> We thank you all so much for your help. I am afraid she would not have made
> it without your assistance. I have never actually held a live gecko before,
> although I have had them jump or fall on me quite a bit. It is really nice
> having her around. ;)
>
> I am trying to put some photos of her up on the web and I will post the
> address when I get them up. We have taken lots!! ;)
>
> Mahalo nui loa,
> Sherron
>
> <A HREF="mailto:elizabethfreer@aol.com">elizabethfreer@aol.com</A> wrote:
> >> Do you have a small scissors for sewing (or even perhaps a straight pin)
>> that could perhaps begin a split/tear in her skin at the neck? I don't know
>> how active she is, but you might be able to hold her firmly against some
>> solid padded surface like a table. Hope that something works for you both.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <A HREF="mailto:elizabethfreer@aol.com">elizabethfreer@aol.com</A>
>> To: <A HREF="mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com">gecko@lists.gekkota.com</A>
>> Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:52 am
>> Subject: Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having
>> trouble shedding ...
>>
>> And Aloha Sherron ~
>>
>> Thanks for these details. Please try the humidity chamber near a lamp for
>> a few hours. Use a wet washcloth that has been wrung out and place it in
>> the vented, plastic container. Watch the water droplets form. After only a
>> few hours I imagine her skin might be loose enough to start a split.
>>
>> Another idea! Have something like a twig, small branch, or a section of
>> choya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle up against to assist in
>> the shed.
>>
>> I hope the skin shed helps her right leg work more efficiently!
>>
>> Keep us posted!
>>
>> Wish I lived near the beach in a place warm enough where geckos roamed
>> freely ;-]
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> >>> Aloha, Elizabeth
>>>
>>> She is about 3/4" from nose to vent -- she is the smallest day gecko
>>> hatchling we have ever seen, although some of our mourning gecko hatchlings are
>>> even tinier.
>>>
>>> This sounds like it might work! If it would just soften enough to pull
>>> off her or get a split started, I think we could get the neck skin off. We
>>> have been misting her little cage and putting a heating pad next to it, but
>>> that only helps a little and wasn't keeping the humidity up high enough.
>>>
>>> She has never seemed to be able to fully control her right leg, and her
>>> right foot is smaller than her left and the toes kind of clumped together.
>>> She often tends to move the joint and leg together as a unit, so there may be
>>> something wrong with the joint, too. Although in watching her with the
>>> skin problem, some of that may just be the skin being so tight it restricts
>>> her movement.
>>>
>>> Usually when we find the hatchlings, most of that first skin has already
>>> been shed, but she was fully covered with it and it has only recently
>>> started splitting. We do think it hinders her use of her limbs -- her arms are
>>> only about the size of thin pencil lead, and the skin seems to fully coat
>>> those.
>>>
>>> She has been doing okay up until the last couple of days, though, when the
>>> skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started really becoming a
>>> problem. She now gets around by lurching her body back and forth because
>>> her little arms & legs are still encased in the skin, although it has come
>>> off some of the back. And she is green underneath, not gray!
>>>
>>> We haven't ever actually kept any of the geckos before, as they run all
>>> around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma laticauda, house - Hemidactylus
>>> frenatus, & Mourning - Lepidodactylus lugubris). But we had to make an
>>> exception in her case, since she couldn't fend for herself. Usually we just
>>> take the hatchlings outside so they have a better chance of survival -- we
>>> have lots of big geckos running around inside and they don't last long if we
>>> don't get to them first. :(
>>>
>>> Mahalo, Sherron
>>>
>>>
>>> <A HREF="mailto:ElizabethFreer@aol.com">ElizabethFreer@aol.com</A> wrote:
>>> >>>> Hello Sherron ~
>>>>
>>>> Try the humidity chamber trick. I can't view your photos at home because
>>>> my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don't know how big this gecko
>>>> is! However, my mourning geckos are 1" 3/8" at hatching. Try placing
>>>> your gecko in a vented plastic container with a damp washcloth inside.
>>>> Place this near a light. Almost immediately you will notice beads of water
>>>> accumulate on the sides/top of the container. After a few hours or so
>>>> perhaps you can remove the rings of old skin around her neck gently with a
>>>> tweezers or small scissors.
>>>>
>>>> What is the problem with her right leg? Might you have a new pet here?
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Subj:[gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble
>>>> shedding "egg skin"
>>>> Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>>>> From: <A HREF="mailto:gecko.hale@gmail.com">gecko.hale@gmail.com</A> (Sherron)
>>>> Sender: <A HREF="mailto:gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com">gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com</A>
>>>> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com">gecko@lists.gekkota.com</A>
>>>> To: <A HREF="mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com">gecko@lists.gekkota.com</A>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We found a tiny hatchling on May 13 that was a little underdeveloped and was
still in that grayish skin they have when they first come out of the shell.
She was dehydrated and has a problem with her right leg, but is spunky.
We haven't been able to release her outside like we do the rest of the
hatchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from being very mobile, but she has
been doing pretty well eating tiny bugs & aphids I collect for her. She has
also shown a real interest in the fruit flies around her papaya, but I don't
think she has managed to catch any yet.
But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold & clammy, so we
put a heating pad near her cage to help warm her up. It seems to have started
her molting her "egg skin", but she has a bunch of it around her neck that she
can't get off.
Is there anything we can do to help her? She is so tiny we don't see how we
could try to cut it off! The rest of the skin except for around her neck should
slough off okay, but the stuff around her neck is several layers and is a
ring, so it may be another matter. :(
Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is really a spunky little girl.
Mahalo, Sherron
Elizabeth
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=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Sherron ~
<BR>
<BR>You are totally welcome for the assistance I was able to give thanks to=20=
this Global Gecko Association listserv!
<BR>
<BR>I really appreciate your detailed photos. As they say, "A picture=20=
is worth a thousand words."
<BR>
<BR>If judging by photos is a reliable sign, her belly definitely seems to b=
e full of the bugs you've been catching. If she proves to be a long-te=
rm captive you may want to dust her bugs with a calcium supplement. Th=
at will be easier once she is eating bigger stuff ;-} I recommend Rep-=
Cal Phosphorus-Free Ultrafine Powder with D3. Can you get that on the=20=
island?
<BR>
<BR>Your survivor needs a name! You've given her a new life!!! H=
ow is her gait since you've removed the excess skin except for her tail? &nb=
sp;In your recent photos her right leg seems to bend like normal.=20
<BR>
<BR>The thing about retained skin, which may have ultimately been affecting=20=
her breathing (?) is that the digit (toe) can become necrotic and then sloug=
h off. That is why I'm worried about the retained skin on her tail as=20=
I said in an earlier post tonight. You have resolved the crucial thing=
s first while still saving the "patient". So in a few days you can try=
again with her tail.
<BR>
<BR>Cheers!
<BR>Elizabeth
<BR>
<BR>
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<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Subj:<B>Re: [gecko]Question=
on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble shedding ... Ok! But what a=
bout the tail?</B>
<BR>Date:6/5/08 11:07:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time
<BR>From: gecko.hale@gmail.com (Sherron)
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<BR>Aloha, Elizabeth
<BR>
<BR>Oh, she is VERY active!!! She doesn't hold still for more than a f=
ew seconds and she is so tiny, we are afraid to try to hold her down!
<BR>
<BR>But we have now managed to get everything off except the skin on her tai=
l. We had hoped that she might be able to chew it off since that is al=
l that is left, but she doesn't seem to be doing so. Will the skin wear off=20=
by itself just from her moving around or do we need to make sure it is off,=20=
too? We are just so afraid of the tail breaking off.
<BR>
<BR>We did notice that she has a toe on her right foot that seems blackened=20=
and crumpled. And the lines on the bottoms of her hands don't seem very well=
developed.=20
<BR>
<BR>Right foot R=
ight hand
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>We had to repeat the steam bath/clean-up routines multiple times and she=
didn't like it, but she was really a good girl. She is very alert & cur=
ious and always comes out to look at us when we go over to look in her cage.=
;)
<BR>
<BR>We thank you all so much for your help. I am afraid she would not have m=
ade it without your assistance. I have never actually held a live geck=
o before, although I have had them jump or fall on me quite a bit. It=20=
is really nice having her around. ;)
<BR>
<BR>I am trying to put some photos of her up on the web and I will post the=20=
address when I get them up. We have taken lots!! ;)
<BR>
<BR>Mahalo nui loa,
<BR>Sherron
<BR>
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NT><FONT COLOR=3D"#804000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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ote: </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-CO=
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=3D"0">
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-=
LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Do you have a small scissor=
s for sewing (or even perhaps a straight pin) that could perhaps begin a spl=
it/tear in her skin at the neck? I don't know how active she is, but y=
ou might be able to hold her firmly against some solid padded surface like a=
table. Hope that something works for you both.
<BR>
<BR>Elizabeth
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>-----Original Message-----
<BR>From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:elizabethfreer@aol.com">elizabethfreer@aol.com</=
A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#804000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR=
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<BR>Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 11:52 am
<BR>Subject: Re: [gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having tro=
uble shedding ...
<BR>
<BR>And Aloha Sherron ~
<BR>=20
<BR>Thanks for these details. Please try the humidity chamber near a l=
amp for a few hours. Use a wet washcloth that has been wrung out and p=
lace it in the vented, plastic container. Watch the water droplets for=
m. After only a few hours I imagine her skin might be loose enough to=20=
start a split.
<BR>
<BR>Another idea! Have something like a twig, small branch, or a secti=
on of choya wood --- something rough that she could snuggle up against to as=
sist in the shed.
<BR>
<BR>I hope the skin shed helps her right leg work more efficiently!
<BR>=20
<BR>Keep us posted!
<BR>=20
<BR>Wish I lived near the beach in a place warm enough where geckos roamed f=
reely ;-]
<BR>=20
<BR>Elizabeth
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARG=
IN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Aloha, Elizabeth
<BR>
<BR>She is about 3/4" from nose to vent -- she is the smallest day gecko hat=
chling we have ever seen, although some of our mourning gecko hatchlings are=
even tinier.
<BR>
<BR>This sounds like it might work! If it would just soften enough to=20=
pull off her or get a split started, I think we could get the neck skin off.=
We have been misting her little cage and putting a heating pad next t=
o it, but that only helps a little and wasn't keeping the humidity up high e=
nough.
<BR>
<BR>She has never seemed to be able to fully control her right leg, and her=20=
right foot is smaller than her left and the toes kind of clumped together. S=
he often tends to move the joint and leg together as a unit, so there may be=
something wrong with the joint, too. Although in watching her with the skin=
problem, some of that may just be the skin being so tight it restricts her=20=
movement.
<BR>
<BR>Usually when we find the hatchlings, most of that first skin has already=
been shed, but she was fully covered with it and it has only recently start=
ed splitting. We do think it hinders her use of her limbs -- her arms are on=
ly about the size of thin pencil lead, and the skin seems to fully coat thos=
e.=20
<BR>
<BR>She has been doing okay up until the last couple of days, though, when t=
he skin (I hope that it isn't something else, too) started really becoming a=
problem. She now gets around by lurching her body back and forth because he=
r little arms & legs are still encased in the skin, although it has come=
off some of the back. And she is green underneath, not gray!
<BR>
<BR>We haven't ever actually kept any of the geckos before, as they run all=20=
around our house, lanai and garden (Phelsuma laticauda, house - Hemidactylus=
frenatus, & Mourning - Lepidodactylus lugubris). But we had to make an=20=
exception in her case, since she couldn't fend for herself. Usually we just=20=
take the hatchlings outside so they have a better chance of survival -- we h=
ave lots of big geckos running around inside and they don't last long if we=20=
don't get to them first. :(
<BR>
<BR>Mahalo, Sherron
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><A HREF=3D"mailto:ElizabethFreer@aol.com">ElizabethFreer@aol.com</A></FO=
NT><FONT COLOR=3D"#804000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff=
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ANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; M=
ARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hello Sherron ~=20
<BR>
<BR>Try the humidity chamber trick. I can't view your photos at home b=
ecause my laptop is really memory-challenged, so I don't know how big this g=
ecko is! However, my mourning geckos are 1" 3/8" at hatching. Tr=
y placing your gecko in a <B>vented</B> plastic container with a damp washcl=
oth inside. Place this near a light. Almost immediately you will=
notice beads of water accumulate on the sides/top of the container. A=
fter a few hours or so perhaps you can remove the rings of old skin around h=
er neck gently with a tweezers or small scissors.=20
<BR>
<BR>What is the problem with her right leg? Might you have a new pet h=
ere?=20
<BR>
<BR>Elizabeth
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COL=
OR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=
=3D"0">
<BR>Subj:<B>[gecko]Question on hatchling Gold Dust Day Gecko having trouble=20=
shedding "egg skin"</B>=20
<BR>Date:6/1/08 4:16:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time=20
<BR>From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:gecko.hale@gmail.com">gecko.ha=
le@gmail.com</A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#804000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BA=
CKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"A=
rial" LANG=3D"0"> (Sherron)=20
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=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>We found a tiny hatchling on May=20=
13 that was a little underdeveloped and was still in that grayish skin they=20=
have when they first come out of the shell. She was dehydrated and has a pro=
blem with her right leg, but is spunky.=20
<BR>
<BR>We haven't been able to release her outside like we do the rest of the h=
atchings we find, as her bad leg has kept her from being very mobile, but sh=
e has been doing pretty well eating tiny bugs & aphids I collect for her=
. She has also shown a real interest in the fruit flies around her papaya, b=
ut I don't think she has managed to catch any yet.=20
<BR>
<BR>But she started having trouble yesterday and was real cold & clammy,=
so we put a heating pad near her cage to help warm her up. It seems to have=
started her molting her "egg skin", but she has a bunch of it around her ne=
ck that she can't get off.=20
<BR>
<BR>Is there anything we can do to help her? She is so tiny we don't see how=
we could try to cut it off! The rest of the skin except for around her neck=
should slough off okay, but the stuff around her neck is several layers and=
is a ring, so it may be another matter. :(=20
<BR>
<BR>Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is really a spunky little g=
irl.=20
<BR>
<BR>Mahalo, Sherron=20
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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