[gecko]Re: Question on gecko who fell; and on euthanasia
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Aloha, Elizabeth
Thank you for your kind words on our little gecko. I do love them all
and hate to see any of them die or be hurt. Having them around is hard
on me since there tends to be a continual life & death drama,
particularly with the three species and the hatchlings comings at all
times of the year. I try to protect the little ones and the injured as
much as I can, but mostly it is palliative. :(
I do hope someone can help us on the euthanasia, though. I worry so much
that we might be causing them more suffering and I really don't want to
do that.
Sherron
ElizabethFreer@aol.com wrote:
> Sherron ~
>
> Sorry to hear about this poor soul. You obviously have geckos' best
> interests at heart. May she rest in peace.
>
> I don't have the answer to your euthanasia question, but I'm certain
> someone on this list might.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>> Subj:*[gecko]Re: Question on gecko who fell; and on euthanasia*
>> Date:6/2/08 4:04:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>> From: gecko.hale@gmail.com (Sherron)
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>> Ah, our poor little girl started having trouble breathing and her color
>> started turning really bad -- she started getting black blotches on her
>> skin and her eyes started sinking. She would gasp for air every so
>> often, obviously in distress. So it became obvious she did have internal
>> injuries and was not going to make it after all.
>>
>> As long as she seemed to be comfortable, at least when she wasn't
>> moving, we held out hopes of it just being a broken bone or two.
>> Especially since her color was still good this morning and she was
>> breathing okay.
>>
>> But when we have done the only thing we could think of to ease her pain
>> and distress, and that was to put her in the freezer. Since she is a
>> reptile, we are hoping that was a kind thing to do since her body
>> temperature should fall quickly. It is not something we would do with a
>> mammal.
>>
>> Can anyone advise on a better way to put a gecko out of their misery?
>> As long as there is hope and they aren't in obvious distress, we prefer
>> to try to keep them quiet, out of harm's way (from cats, dogs, mongoose
>> or other geckos) and hope for the best. But we do have occasion when
>> they are in obvious pain and it is no favor to them to keep them alive.
>> Once we had a little house gecko that someone had tried to eat and whose
>> skin was partially gone and the ants had gotten to before I found him.
>> He was e but beyond saving, and obviously in pain, and we froze him as
>> we did not know what else to do.
>>
>> If there is something better we could do for them, we would like to
>> know, as unfortunately it is likely to come up again. The day geckos do
>> prey on our other two species, as well as their own youngsters. :(
>>
>> Thanks so much,
>> Sherron
>>
>> Sherron wrote:
>> > Aloha,
>> >
>> > I have another adult gecko with a problem, although I suspect there is
>> > nothing we can do for her. We found her yesterday, but hoped she would
>> > be better today.
>> >
>> > We think she must have fallen from the ceiling, as we found her on the
>> > tile floor in our kitchen and she was moving weakly. I set her down
>> > some papaya and she wiggled behind a box.
>> >
>> > Later, we found her on the floor near the refrigerator and she was not
>> > interested in moving at all. We tried picking her up with a large ti
>> > leaf, but she feebly pulled herself up onto my husband's hand and then
>> > fell into my hands. We put her in a cage with a leaf to hide under
>> > along with fruit and water and hoped that she didn't have any internal
>> > injuries. She seemed happier hanging from the side of the cage and
>> > looked pretty good this morning.
>> >
>> > But a little while ago, she fell off the side onto the floor of the
>> > cage onto her back and lay there gasping for breath. I'm not sure if
>> > they can breathe properly on their backs, so we turned her over --
>> > which stressed her, but she does seem to be able to breathe easier on
>> > her stomach. I also misted her as I thought it might help her breathe
>> > and she seems a little better now.
>> >
>> > But is there anything else I can do for her besides just wait and hope
>> > she is just having pain from broken ribs and not from internal
>> injuries?
>> >
>> > Thanks, Sherron
>
>
>
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Aloha, Elizabeth<br>
<br>
Thank you for your kind words on our little gecko. I do love them all
and hate to see any of them die or be hurt. Having them around is hard
on me since there tends to be a continual life & death drama,
particularly with the three species and the hatchlings comings at all
times of the year. I try to protect the little ones and the injured as
much as I can, but mostly it is palliative. :(<br>
<br>
I do hope someone can help us on the euthanasia, though. I worry so
much that we might be causing them more suffering and I really don't
want to do that.<br>
<br>
Sherron<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ElizabethFreer@aol.com">ElizabethFreer@aol.com</a> wrote:
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Sorry to hear about this poor soul. You obviously have geckos' best
interests at heart. May she rest in peace.
<br>
<br>
I don't have the answer to your euthanasia question, but I'm certain
someone on this list might.
<br>
<br>
Elizabeth
<br>
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Question on gecko who fell; and on euthanasia</b>
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Date:6/2/08 4:04:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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Ah, our poor little girl started having trouble breathing and her color
<br>
started turning really bad -- she started getting black blotches on her
<br>
skin and her eyes started sinking. She would gasp for air every so <br>
often, obviously in distress. So it became obvious she did have
internal <br>
injuries and was not going to make it after all.
<br>
<br>
As long as she seemed to be comfortable, at least when she wasn't <br>
moving, we held out hopes of it just being a broken bone or two. <br>
Especially since her color was still good this morning and she was <br>
breathing okay.
<br>
<br>
But when we have done the only thing we could think of to ease her pain
<br>
and distress, and that was to put her in the freezer. Since she is a <br>
reptile, we are hoping that was a kind thing to do since her body <br>
temperature should fall quickly. It is not something we would do with a
<br>
mammal.
<br>
<br>
Can anyone advise on a better way to put a gecko out of their misery?
<br>
As long as there is hope and they aren't in obvious distress, we prefer
<br>
to try to keep them quiet, out of harm's way (from cats, dogs, mongoose
<br>
or other geckos) and hope for the best. But we do have occasion when <br>
they are in obvious pain and it is no favor to them to keep them alive.
<br>
Once we had a little house gecko that someone had tried to eat and
whose <br>
skin was partially gone and the ants had gotten to before I found him. <br>
He was e but beyond saving, and obviously in pain, and we froze him as <br>
we did not know what else to do.
<br>
<br>
If there is something better we could do for them, we would like to <br>
know, as unfortunately it is likely to come up again. The day geckos
do <br>
prey on our other two species, as well as their own youngsters. :(
<br>
<br>
Thanks so much,
<br>
Sherron
<br>
<br>
Sherron wrote:
<br>
> Aloha,
<br>
>
<br>
> I have another adult gecko with a problem, although I suspect
there is <br>
> nothing we can do for her. We found her yesterday, but hoped she
would <br>
> be better today.
<br>
>
<br>
> We think she must have fallen from the ceiling, as we found her on
the <br>
> tile floor in our kitchen and she was moving weakly. I set her
down <br>
> some papaya and she wiggled behind a box.
<br>
>
<br>
> Later, we found her on the floor near the refrigerator and she was
not <br>
> interested in moving at all. We tried picking her up with a large
ti <br>
> leaf, but she feebly pulled herself up onto my husband's hand and
then <br>
> fell into my hands. We put her in a cage with a leaf to hide under
<br>
> along with fruit and water and hoped that she didn't have any
internal <br>
> injuries. She seemed happier hanging from the side of the cage and
<br>
> looked pretty good this morning.
<br>
>
<br>
> But a little while ago, she fell off the side onto the floor of
the <br>
> cage onto her back and lay there gasping for breath. I'm not sure
if <br>
> they can breathe properly on their backs, so we turned her over --
<br>
> which stressed her, but she does seem to be able to breathe easier
on <br>
> her stomach. I also misted her as I thought it might help her
breathe <br>
> and she seems a little better now.
<br>
>
<br>
> But is there anything else I can do for her besides just wait and
hope <br>
> she is just having pain from broken ribs and not from internal
injuries?
<br>
>
<br>
> Thanks, Sherron</font></font></blockquote>
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