[gecko]Phoenix worms
Lyle Puente
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Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:52:52 -0400
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hahah Good call Sven,
yes, super worms ( darkling Beetle larve ) are the USA trade and
common names for Zoophbas Morio.
Pheonix worms are a trade name for an undisclosed fly species.
They are sold in maggot form. The word maggot however is often
considered repulsive and few willingly will exchange cash for them.
Pheonix sounds Harry Potterish though and they sell well.
Trivial names, but required for retail purchase as dealers often have
no clue as to what they sell
Lyle
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On Jul 20, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Sven Vogler wrote:
Sorry folks,
but what the heck are "phoenixworms" and "superworms"???
I can imagine the latter to be Zophobas, but these trivial names just
gimme headaches....
:-)
Greetings from Hamburg
Sven Vogler
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From: "Lyle Puente"
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Subject: Re: [gecko]Phoenix worms
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:54:51 -0400
You can also try using super worms and crickets. I feed mine a high
percentage of crickets.
I keep bins of super worms and pick out the fresh sheds. They are
white and very soft.
If they have trouble learning to catch crickets you can put them in a
bowl or pinch the hind legs.
Some of mine like silk worms, few like goliath worms ( tomato horn
worms )
Lyle
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On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Diane Rudesal wrote:
Thanks very much! Guess there's no reason not to give them a try then.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:06:37 EDT, PISHET@aol.com said:
> Hi =0),
> I normally feed my adult leo mealworms too but I have
> fed her large Pheonix Worms. She loved them.
> I didn't gut load them but I did dust them.
> Evil Neo was happy and I had no problems.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/19/2008 6:18:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> leolover@petml.com writes:
>
> My leos are used to being fed mealworms, and as you probably all
> know,
> there is a national shortage of them right now and none can be had
> anywhere in stores or online. Are Phoenix Worms a safe substitute? If
> so, what size would an adult leopard gecko need (small, medium or
> large)? Also, the website (www.phoenixworm.com) states that
> gutloading
> is not necessary with them -- is this accurate? And would they
> need to
> be dusted with the Repashy Calcium + ICB, as i've been doing with my
> mealworms, or would that give them an OD of calcium, since the
> Phoenix
> Worms are higher in calcium (again, according to the website)?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Diane
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hahah Good call Sven,<div><br></div><div>yes, super worms ( darkling =
Beetle larve ) are the USA trade and common names for Zoophbas =
Morio.</div><div>Pheonix worms are a trade name for an undisclosed fly =
species.</div><div>They are sold in maggot form. The word maggot however =
is often considered repulsive and few willingly will exchange cash for =
them.</div><div>Pheonix sounds Harry Potterish though and they sell =
well.</div><div>Trivial names, but required for retail purchase as =
dealers often have no clue as to what they =
sell</div><div><br></div><div>Lyle</div><div><br><div> <span =
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"phoenixworms" and "superworms"???</p><p>I can imagine the latter to be =
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-0400<br><br>You can also try using super worms and crickets. I feed =
mine a high percentage of crickets. <div>I keep bins of super worms and =
pick out the fresh sheds. They are white and very soft.</div> <div>If =
they have trouble learning to catch crickets you can put them in a bowl =
or pinch the hind legs.</div> <div>Some of mine like silk worms, few =
like goliath worms ( tomato horn worms )</div> <div>Lyle</div> <div> =
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<div>On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Diane Rudesal wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Thanks =
very much! Guess there's no reason not to give them a try then.</div> =
<div style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div =
style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:06:37 EDT, <a =
href=3D"mailto:PISHET@aol.com">PISHET@aol.com</a> said:</div> =
<blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Hi =3D0),</div> =
<div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I normally feed my adult leo mealworms too =
but I have<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div> <div =
style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">fed her large Pheonix Worms. She loved them.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: =
0px">I didn't gut load them but I did dust them.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0</span></div> <div style=3D"MARGIN:=
0px">Evil Neo was happy and I had no problems.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div> <div style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT:=
14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I hope this is =
helpful.</div> <div style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> =
<div style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div =
style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div =
style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: =
0px">In a message dated 7/19/2008 6:18:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =
<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</span></div> <div =
style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><a =
href=3D"mailto:leolover@petml.com">leolover@petml.com</a> writes:</div> =
<div style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> <div =
style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">My leos<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>are used to being fed mealworms, and as you probably all =
know,</div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">there is a<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>national shortage of them =
right now and none can be had</div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">anywhere =
in stores<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>or online. Are =
Phoenix Worms a safe substitute? If</div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">so, =
what size would an<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>adult =
leopard gecko need (small, medium or</div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: =
0px">large)? Also, the website<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>(<a href=3D"http://www.phoenixworm.com/">www.phoenixworm.com</a>) =
states that gutloading</div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">is not necessary =
with them --<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>is this =
accurate? And would they need to</div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">be =
dusted with the Repashy Calcium<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</span>+ ICB, as i've been doing with my</div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: =
0px">mealworms, or would that give them an OD<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>of calcium, since the =
Phoenix</div> <div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Worms are higher in calcium =
(again, according<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>to the =
website)?</div> <div style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><br></div> =
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