[gecko]Phoenix worms
Sven Vogler
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Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:28:16 +0100
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Sorry folks,
but what the heck are "phoenixworms" and "superworms"???
I can imagine the latter to be Zophobas, but these trivial names just
gimme headaches....
:-)
Greetings from Hamburg
Sven Vogler
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From: "Lyle Puente"
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Subject: Re: [gecko]Phoenix worms
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:54:51 -0400
You can also try using super worms and crickets. I feed mine a high
percentage of crickets. I keep bins of super worms and pick out the
fresh sheds. They are white and very soft.If they have trouble
learning to catch crickets you can put them in a bowl or pinch the
hind legs.Some of mine like silk worms, few like goliath worms (
tomato horn worms )Lyle
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On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Diane Rudesal wrote:
Thanks very much! Guess there's no reason not to give them a try
then.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:06:37 EDT, PISHET@aol.com said:
Hi =3D0),I normally feed my adult leo mealworms too but I have fed
her large Pheonix Worms. She loved them. I didn't gut load them
but I did dust them. Evil Neo was happy and I had no problems.
I hope this is helpful.
In a message dated 7/19/2008 6:18:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
leolover@petml.com writes:
My leos are used to being fed mealworms, and as you probably all
know,there is a national shortage of them right now and none can
be hadanywhere in stores or online. Are Phoenix Worms a safe
substitute? Ifso, what size would an adult leopard gecko need
(small, medium orlarge)? Also, the website (www.phoenixworm.com)
states that gutloadingis not necessary with them -- is this
accurate? And would they need tobe dusted with the Repashy
Calcium + ICB, as i've been doing with mymealworms, or would that
give them an OD of calcium, since the PhoenixWorms are higher in
calcium (again, according to the website)?
Thanks for your help.
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<P>Sorry folks,</P>
<P> </P>
<P>but what the heck are "phoenixworms" and "superworms"???</P>
<P>I can imagine the latter to be Zophobas, but these trivial names just gi=
mme headaches....<BR>:-)</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Greetings from Hamburg</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Sven Vogler</P>
<P><BR> </P>
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0ff 2px solid">----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Lyle Puente" <LYLEPUE=
NTE@OPTONLINE.NET><BR>To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com<BR>Subject: Re: [gecko]Ph=
oenix worms<BR>Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:54:51 -0400<BR><BR>You can also tr=
y using super worms and crickets. I feed mine a high percentage of crickets.
<DIV>I keep bins of super worms and pick out the fresh sheds. They are whit=
e and very soft.</DIV>
<DIV>If they have trouble learning to catch crickets you can put them in a =
bowl or pinch the hind legs.</DIV>
<DIV>Some of mine like silk worms, few like goliath worms ( tomato horn wor=
ms )</DIV>
<DIV>Lyle</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:20 PM, Diane Rudesal wrote:</DIV><BR class=3DAp=
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Thanks very much! Guess there's no reason not to=
give them a try then.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:06:37 EDT, <A href=3D"mai=
lto:PISHET@aol.com">PISHET@aol.com</A> said:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Hi =3D0),</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I normally feed my adult leo mealworms too but I=
have<SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">fed her large Pheonix Worms. She loved them.<SPA=
N class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I didn't gut load them but I did dust them.<SPAN=
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Evil Neo was happy and I had no problems.<SPAN c=
lass=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I hope this is helpful.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">In a message dated 7/19/2008 6:18:14 P.M. Easter=
n Daylight Time, <SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><A href=3D"mailto:leolover@petml.com">leolover@p=
etml.com</A> writes:</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">My leos<SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> =
; </SPAN>are used to being fed mealworms, and as you probably all know,</DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">there is a<SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space>&n=
bsp; </SPAN>national shortage of them right now and none can be had</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">anywhere in stores<SPAN class=3DApple-converted-=
space> </SPAN>or online. Are Phoenix Worms a safe substitute? If</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">so, what size would an<SPAN class=3DApple-conver=
ted-space> </SPAN>adult leopard gecko need (small, medium or</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">large)? Also, the website<SPAN class=3DApple-con=
verted-space> </SPAN>(<A href=3D"http://www.phoenixworm.com/">www.pho=
enixworm.com</A>) states that gutloading</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">is not necessary with them --<SPAN class=3DApple=
-converted-space> </SPAN>is this accurate? And would they need to</DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">be dusted with the Repashy Calcium<SPAN class=3D=
Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>+ ICB, as i've been doing with my</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">mealworms, or would that give them an OD<SPAN cl=
ass=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN>of calcium, since the Phoenix</DI=
V>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Worms are higher in calcium (again, according<SP=
AN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN>to the website)?</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Thanks for your help.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Diane</DIV>
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