[gecko]New gecko questions

Lyle Puente gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:22:44 -0400 

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thanks David!
Have there ever been studies to access the damages they cause?

Lyle


On Oct 2, 2007, at 5:58 PM, Daavid wrote:

Yeppers - Australia has 100,000's of them.  The only wild camels  
remaining in the world.  There is some move to harvest them as they  
have a very lean meat.  Something needs to be done as their numbers  
are now starting to spiral even though they have been living here for  
over a 100 years.  (They were introduced by Afghan traders and were  
released when other forms of transport became more convenient.)

Melody Hartley wrote:
> Egad -- feral camels???
>
> Daavid wrote:
>
>> The law applies to all reptiles and amphibians (apart from  
>> axolotls). It is mainly about quarantine.  Australia's animals  
>> have evolved mostly in isolation.  Many of the species introduced  
>> with European settlement have gone feral and are out of control... 
>> (Cats are the worst problem, but also foxes, camels, rabbits,etc.  
>> etc.)  The main fear is that an introduced species will bring in a  
>> pest that will wipe out native species.  We already have OPMV and  
>> IBD which kill native pythons much quicker than the Boas etc. on  
>> which it is meant to have come in with.
>>
>> There is an illegal trade in exotic reptiles but the fines are  
>> severe and the animals are inevitably put down when encountered by  
>> authorities.
>>
>> Most of the native animals are kept on licence.  We submit returns  
>> to the various state departments which keep track who has what  
>> etc.  Each state has different laws but it is the feds that  
>> control the quarantine side of things.
>>
>> regards __daavid
>>
>> -- 
>>  HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad.
>>                           http://www.herpshop.com.au
>>
>>
>> Diane Rudesal wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the advice, Daavid. That's interesting, that you can't  
>>> keep
>>> geckos that aren't native to Australia. Does that apply to other  
>>> types
>>> of animals as well? Is it a federal law?
>>> I do have thermometers in the cage, one on each side, and since he
>>> always seems to be on the warmer side, it probably is too cold  
>>> for him.
>>> I'll have to try something else heat-wise and put another house
>>> somewhere in the middle as well.
>>>
>>> What do you use to mist them? I think Enzo might freak out if I  
>>> did that
>>> to him.
>>> Diane
>>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:43:57 +1000, "Daavid"
>>> <daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au> said:
>>>
>>>> I cannot offer too much information specific to leopard geckos  
>>>> as we are not allowed to keep them (because they are not native  
>>>> to Australia) but I can offer some general advice.
>>>>
>>>> Temperature wise create a heat gradient from one end of the cage  
>>>> to the other with places to hide across the heat range.  Use a  
>>>> thermometer to check out your temperature gradient.
>>>> Do not rely on thermostat settings or guess from the output of  
>>>> your heat source.
>>>> If your gecko is always up the hot end of the cage it is  
>>>> probably too cold.  If he is at the cold end then it is probably  
>>>> too hot.  If he ranges around the middle then it is probably  
>>>> about right.
>>>> For most geckos I would be misting them from time to time.  (I  
>>>> mist our cilarus geckos most mornings.)  I am happy to see them  
>>>> lick the water from their faces ;-)  For many species this is  
>>>> how they drink most of the time.
>>>>
>>>> regards __daavid
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>   HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) initiative-Just a $10 listing fee  
>>>> per ad.
>>>>                            http://www.herpshop.com.au
>>>>
>>>> Cyndy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What wattage was the heat emitter? You might try a lower wattage.
>>>>> Cyndy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- "Diane Rudesal" <leolover@petml.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks for your input, Sonya. I think Enzo is getting better  
>>>>> now. He
>>>>> seems to like the changes I made back to what he was used to. I  
>>>>> think a
>>>>> lot of his problem was stress, as you mentioned. The sand might  
>>>>> not be
>>>>> ideal, but he seems to prefer it since that's what he grew up  
>>>>> with. I
>>>>> think I freaked him out a little today when I tried adding heat  
>>>>> above
>>>>> his tank again (see my message in response to Elizabeth) but  
>>>>> after I
>>>>> took it off again he went back in his house on the side with the
>>>>> undertank heater.
>>>>> Diane
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0500, "Sonya Owings"
>>>>> <sowings2@comcast.net> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am assuming that you are talking about leopard geckos.  I  
>>>>>> agree tha tthe calci-sand is not good.  The sand pieces are  
>>>>>> not round, they have sharp edges on them.  I actually just use  
>>>>>> paper towels.  As for the light, leopard geckos are more of a  
>>>>>> nocturnal gecko, they do not need a light.  Do make sure that  
>>>>>> you have an under tank heater on one side of the tank and a  
>>>>>> cooler side too.  They also like to have hiding places during  
>>>>>> the day.
>>>>>> I also had trouble with a male that I bought at a reptile  
>>>>>> show.  It seemed very healthy but once home would not eat.   
>>>>>> Finally started eating and got to be healthy again.  However,  
>>>>>> I then moved it and the same thing happened.  I think  he just  
>>>>>> really stresses out.
>>>>>> Hope your gecko gets better!
>>>>>> Sonya
>>>>>>
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>>>> -- 
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>>>>
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<HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">thanks David!<DIV>Have there =
ever been studies to access the damages they cause?</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Lyle</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 2, =
2007, at 5:58 PM, Daavid wrote:</DIV><BR =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Yeppers - =
Australia has 100,000's of them.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>The only wild camels remaining in the world.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>There is some move to harvest =
them as they have a very lean meat.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=
 </SPAN>Something needs to be done as their numbers are now starting to =
spiral even though they have been living here for over a 100 years.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>(They were introduced by =
Afghan traders and were released when other forms of transport became =
more convenient.)</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Melody Hartley wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Egad -- feral =
camels???</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Daavid wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The law =
applies to all reptiles and amphibians (apart from axolotls). It is =
mainly about quarantine.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>Australia's animals have evolved mostly in isolation.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Many of the species =
introduced with European settlement have gone feral and are out of =
control...(Cats are the worst problem, but also foxes, camels, =
rabbits,etc. etc.)<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>The =
main fear is that an introduced species will bring in a pest that will =
wipe out native species.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>We already have OPMV and IBD which kill native pythons much =
quicker than the Boas etc. on which it is meant to have come in =
with.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">There is an illegal trade in exotic reptiles but the =
fines are severe and the animals are inevitably put down when =
encountered by authorities.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Most of the native animals are =
kept on licence.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>We =
submit returns to the various state departments which keep track who has =
what etc.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Each state has =
different laws but it is the feds that control the quarantine side of =
things.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">regards __daavid</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN>HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) =
initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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=A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN><A =
href=3D"http://www.herpshop.com.au">http://www.herpshop.com.au</A></DIV><D=
IV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Diane Rudesal =
wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> =
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks for the advice, =
Daavid. That's interesting, that you can't keep</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">geckos that aren't native to Australia. Does that =
apply to other types</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">of animals as well? Is it a =
federal law?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I do have thermometers in the =
cage, one on each side, and since he</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">always seems =
to be on the warmer side, it probably is too cold for him.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">I'll have to try something else heat-wise and put =
another house</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">somewhere in the middle as =
well.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">What do you use to mist them? I think Enzo might =
freak out if I did that</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to =
him.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Diane</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Fri, =
28 Sep 2007 18:43:57 +1000, "Daavid"</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">&lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au">daavid.turnbull@optusnet.c=
om.au</A>&gt; said:</DIV><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; =
min-height: 14.0px"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">I cannot offer too much information specific to =
leopard geckos as we are not allowed to keep them (because they are not =
native to Australia) but I can offer some general advice.</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">Temperature wise create a heat gradient from one end of the cage to =
the other with places to hide across the heat range.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Use a thermometer to check =
out your temperature gradient.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Do not rely =
on thermostat settings or guess from the output of your heat =
source.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">If your gecko is always up the =
hot end of the cage it is probably too cold.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>If he is at the cold end then =
it is probably too hot.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>If he ranges around the middle then it is probably about =
right.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">For most geckos I would be =
misting them from time to time.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>(I mist our cilarus geckos most mornings.)<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>I am happy to see them lick =
the water from their faces ;-)<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>For many species this is how they drink most of the =
time.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">regards __daavid</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) =
initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN><A =
href=3D"http://www.herpshop.com.au">http://www.herpshop.com.au</A></DIV><D=
IV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cyndy =
wrote:</DIV><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: =
14.0px"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">What wattage was the heat emitter? You might try a =
lower wattage.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cyndy</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- "Diane =
Rudesal" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:leolover@petml.com">leolover@petml.com</A>&gt; =
wrote:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks for your input, Sonya. I =
think Enzo is getting better now. He</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">seems to like =
the changes I made back to what he was used to. I think a</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">lot of his problem was stress, as you mentioned. The =
sand might not be</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">ideal, but he seems to prefer it =
since that's what he grew up with. I</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">think I =
freaked him out a little today when I tried adding heat above</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">his tank again (see my message in response to =
Elizabeth) but after I</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">took it off again he went =
back in his house on the side with the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">undertank heater.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Diane</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Wed, =
26 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0500, "Sonya Owings"</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">&lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:sowings2@comcast.net">sowings2@comcast.net</A>&gt; =
said:</DIV><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; min-height: =
14.0px"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =A0 =A0</SPAN><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Diane,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I am assuming that you are =
talking about leopard geckos.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>I agree tha tthe calci-sand is not good.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>The sand pieces are not =
round, they have sharp edges on them.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>I actually just use paper =
towels.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>As for the =
light, leopard geckos are more of a nocturnal gecko, they do not need a =
light.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Do make sure that =
you have an under tank heater on one side of the tank and a cooler side =
too.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>They also like to =
have hiding places during the day.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I also had =
trouble with a male that I bought at a reptile show.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>It seemed very healthy but =
once home would not eat.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>Finally started eating and got to be healthy again.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>However, I then moved it and =
the same thing happened.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>I think<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>he just =
really stresses out.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hope your gecko gets =
better!</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sonya</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Global Gecko Association</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com">http://www.gekkota.com</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Classifieds</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi">http://www.gek=
kota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">gecko =
mailing list</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com">gecko@lists.gekkota.com</A></DIV><=
DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko">http://lists.gekk=
ota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko</A></DIV><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px =
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0</SPAN><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> =
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Daavid =
Turnbull - <A =
href=3D"mailto:daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au">daavid.turnbull@optusnet.c=
om.au</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; =
">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Global Gecko Association</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com">http://www.gekkota.com</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Classifieds</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi">http://www.gek=
kota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">gecko =
mailing list</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com">gecko@lists.gekkota.com</A></DIV><=
DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko">http://lists.gekk=
ota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko</A></DIV><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px =
0.0px 0.0px; min-height: 14.0px"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=
=A0 =A0</SPAN><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></P> =
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"><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Global Gecko Association</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com">http://www.gekkota.com</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Classifieds</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi">http://www.gek=
kota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">gecko =
mailing list</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com">gecko@lists.gekkota.com</A></DIV><=
DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko">http://lists.gekk=
ota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Daavid =
Turnbull - <A =
href=3D"mailto:daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au">daavid.turnbull@optusnet.c=
om.au</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; =
">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Global Gecko Association</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com">http://www.gekkota.com</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Classifieds</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi">http://www.gek=
kota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">gecko =
mailing list</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"mailto:gecko@lists.gekkota.com">gecko@lists.gekkota.com</A></DIV><=
DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko">http://lists.gekk=
ota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko</A></DIV> </DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN =
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