From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Mon Oct 1 13:50:04 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Michael Hance) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:50:04 -0400 Subject: [gecko] whooaaa! Message-ID: <472FE9BE@webmail.utk.edu> Thanks Tony and Lyle. I am going to see if I can access the paper in the lab. It should be some interesting reading. Michael >===== Original Message From tony gamble ===== >Michael, >Bearded dragons have sex chromosomes, a ZZ/ZW pattern similar to birds and snakes, but recent work has shown that high incubation temperatures can reverse genotypic males (that is, embryos possessing ZZ sex chromosomes) into phenotypic females. Much of the recent sex-determination work coming out of Australia suggests a continuum of sex-determining mechanisms rather than a strict dichotomy between genetic and environmental mechanisms. >Crazy stuff. >Tony > >Michael Hance wrote: >Gender-Bended Lizards. Scientists in Australia found warmer >>temperatures caused baby bearded dragon lizards to change from males >>to females while still in their eggs, making it harder for them to >>find mates. Trippy. [ABC AU] >> >>AlterNet: Environment: Top 100 Ways Global Warming Will Change Your Life >> >> >>Lyle Puente >>Global Gecko Association >>http://www.gekkota.com > > > > >Are bearded dragons known to be TDSD? I wonder if anyone who breeds them has >experienced this when incubating at high temps. >Michael > >Michael W. 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Ph.D. Candidate / GRA University of Tennessee Knoxville Department of Pathobiology Molecular Cancer Analysis Laboratory VTH Lab#307A Lab Phone 865-974-5834 mburkett@utk.edu From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 2 14:21:49 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Melody Hartley) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:21:49 -0700 Subject: [gecko]New gecko questions In-Reply-To: <46FEE1FB.4050505@optusnet.com.au> References: <20070927.174254.22777.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <46FCBECD.7040404@optusnet.com.au> <1191082481.1637.1213260409@webmail.messagingengine.com> <46FEE1FB.4050505@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <470245ED.3080707@ix.netcom.com> Egad -- feral camels??? Daavid wrote: > The law applies to all reptiles and amphibians (apart from axolotls). It > is mainly about quarantine. Australia's animals have evolved mostly in > isolation. Many of the species introduced with European settlement have > gone feral and are out of control...(Cats are the worst problem, but > also foxes, camels, rabbits,etc. etc.) The main fear is that an > introduced species will bring in a pest that will wipe out native > species. We already have OPMV and IBD which kill native pythons much > quicker than the Boas etc. on which it is meant to have come in with. > > There is an illegal trade in exotic reptiles but the fines are severe > and the animals are inevitably put down when encountered by authorities. > > Most of the native animals are kept on licence. We submit returns to > the various state departments which keep track who has what etc. Each > state has different laws but it is the feds that control the quarantine > side of things. > > regards __daavid > > -- > HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad. > http://www.herpshop.com.au > > > Diane Rudesal wrote: > >> Thanks for the advice, Daavid. That's interesting, that you can't keep >> geckos that aren't native to Australia. Does that apply to other types >> of animals as well? Is it a federal law? >> I do have thermometers in the cage, one on each side, and since he >> always seems to be on the warmer side, it probably is too cold for him. >> I'll have to try something else heat-wise and put another house >> somewhere in the middle as well. >> >> What do you use to mist them? I think Enzo might freak out if I did that >> to him. >> Diane >> >> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:43:57 +1000, "Daavid" >> said: >> >> >>> I cannot offer too much information specific to leopard geckos as we >>> are not allowed to keep them (because they are not native to >>> Australia) but I can offer some general advice. >>> >>> Temperature wise create a heat gradient from one end of the cage to >>> the other with places to hide across the heat range. Use a >>> thermometer to check out your temperature gradient. >>> Do not rely on thermostat settings or guess from the output of your >>> heat source. >>> If your gecko is always up the hot end of the cage it is probably too >>> cold. If he is at the cold end then it is probably too hot. If he >>> ranges around the middle then it is probably about right. >>> For most geckos I would be misting them from time to time. (I mist >>> our cilarus geckos most mornings.) I am happy to see them lick the >>> water from their faces ;-) For many species this is how they drink >>> most of the time. >>> >>> regards __daavid >>> >>> -- >>> HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad. >>> http://www.herpshop.com.au >>> >>> Cyndy wrote: >>> >>> >>>> What wattage was the heat emitter? You might try a lower wattage. >>>> Cyndy >>>> >>>> >>>> -- "Diane Rudesal" wrote: >>>> Thanks for your input, Sonya. I think Enzo is getting better now. He >>>> seems to like the changes I made back to what he was used to. I think a >>>> lot of his problem was stress, as you mentioned. The sand might not be >>>> ideal, but he seems to prefer it since that's what he grew up with. I >>>> think I freaked him out a little today when I tried adding heat above >>>> his tank again (see my message in response to Elizabeth) but after I >>>> took it off again he went back in his house on the side with the >>>> undertank heater. >>>> Diane >>>> >>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0500, "Sonya Owings" >>>> said: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Diane, >>>>> >>>>> I am assuming that you are talking about leopard geckos. I agree >>>>> tha tthe calci-sand is not good. The sand pieces are not round, >>>>> they have sharp edges on them. I actually just use paper towels. >>>>> As for the light, leopard geckos are more of a nocturnal gecko, >>>>> they do not need a light. Do make sure that you have an under tank >>>>> heater on one side of the tank and a cooler side too. They also >>>>> like to have hiding places during the day. >>>>> I also had trouble with a male that I bought at a reptile show. It >>>>> seemed very healthy but once home would not eat. Finally started >>>>> eating and got to be healthy again. However, I then moved it and >>>>> the same thing happened. I think he just really stresses out. >>>>> Hope your gecko gets better! >>>>> Sonya >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Global Gecko Association >>>>> http://www.gekkota.com >>>>> Classifieds >>>>> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >>>>> gecko mailing list >>>>> gecko@lists.gekkota.com >>>>> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Daavid Turnbull - daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Global Gecko Association >>> http://www.gekkota.com >>> Classifieds >>> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >>> gecko mailing list >>> gecko@lists.gekkota.com >>> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >>> > > > From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 2 22:58:01 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Daavid) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:58:01 +1000 Subject: [gecko]New gecko questions In-Reply-To: <470245ED.3080707@ix.netcom.com> References: <20070927.174254.22777.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <46FCBECD.7040404@optusnet.com.au> <1191082481.1637.1213260409@webmail.messagingengine.com> <46FEE1FB.4050505@optusnet.com.au> <470245ED.3080707@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <4702BEE9.7030109@optusnet.com.au> Yeppers - Australia has 100,000's of them. The only wild camels remaining in the world. There is some move to harvest them as they have a very lean meat. Something needs to be done as their numbers are now starting to spiral even though they have been living here for over a 100 years. (They were introduced by Afghan traders and were released when other forms of transport became more convenient.) Melody Hartley wrote: > Egad -- feral camels??? > > Daavid wrote: > >> The law applies to all reptiles and amphibians (apart from axolotls). >> It is mainly about quarantine. Australia's animals have evolved >> mostly in isolation. Many of the species introduced with European >> settlement have gone feral and are out of control...(Cats are the >> worst problem, but also foxes, camels, rabbits,etc. etc.) The main >> fear is that an introduced species will bring in a pest that will >> wipe out native species. We already have OPMV and IBD which kill >> native pythons much quicker than the Boas etc. on which it is meant >> to have come in with. >> >> There is an illegal trade in exotic reptiles but the fines are severe >> and the animals are inevitably put down when encountered by authorities. >> >> Most of the native animals are kept on licence. We submit returns to >> the various state departments which keep track who has what etc. >> Each state has different laws but it is the feds that control the >> quarantine side of things. >> >> regards __daavid >> >> -- >> HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad. >> http://www.herpshop.com.au >> >> >> Diane Rudesal wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the advice, Daavid. That's interesting, that you can't keep >>> geckos that aren't native to Australia. Does that apply to other types >>> of animals as well? Is it a federal law? >>> I do have thermometers in the cage, one on each side, and since he >>> always seems to be on the warmer side, it probably is too cold for him. >>> I'll have to try something else heat-wise and put another house >>> somewhere in the middle as well. >>> >>> What do you use to mist them? I think Enzo might freak out if I did >>> that >>> to him. >>> Diane >>> >>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:43:57 +1000, "Daavid" >>> said: >>> >>> >>>> I cannot offer too much information specific to leopard geckos as >>>> we are not allowed to keep them (because they are not native to >>>> Australia) but I can offer some general advice. >>>> >>>> Temperature wise create a heat gradient from one end of the cage to >>>> the other with places to hide across the heat range. Use a >>>> thermometer to check out your temperature gradient. >>>> Do not rely on thermostat settings or guess from the output of your >>>> heat source. >>>> If your gecko is always up the hot end of the cage it is probably >>>> too cold. If he is at the cold end then it is probably too hot. >>>> If he ranges around the middle then it is probably about right. >>>> For most geckos I would be misting them from time to time. (I mist >>>> our cilarus geckos most mornings.) I am happy to see them lick the >>>> water from their faces ;-) For many species this is how they drink >>>> most of the time. >>>> >>>> regards __daavid >>>> >>>> -- >>>> HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad. >>>> http://www.herpshop.com.au >>>> >>>> Cyndy wrote: >>>> >>>>> What wattage was the heat emitter? You might try a lower wattage. >>>>> Cyndy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- "Diane Rudesal" wrote: >>>>> Thanks for your input, Sonya. I think Enzo is getting better now. He >>>>> seems to like the changes I made back to what he was used to. I >>>>> think a >>>>> lot of his problem was stress, as you mentioned. The sand might >>>>> not be >>>>> ideal, but he seems to prefer it since that's what he grew up with. I >>>>> think I freaked him out a little today when I tried adding heat above >>>>> his tank again (see my message in response to Elizabeth) but after I >>>>> took it off again he went back in his house on the side with the >>>>> undertank heater. >>>>> Diane >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0500, "Sonya Owings" >>>>> said: >>>>> >>>>>> Diane, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am assuming that you are talking about leopard geckos. I agree >>>>>> tha tthe calci-sand is not good. The sand pieces are not round, >>>>>> they have sharp edges on them. I actually just use paper >>>>>> towels. As for the light, leopard geckos are more of a nocturnal >>>>>> gecko, they do not need a light. Do make sure that you have an >>>>>> under tank heater on one side of the tank and a cooler side too. >>>>>> They also like to have hiding places during the day. >>>>>> I also had trouble with a male that I bought at a reptile show. >>>>>> It seemed very healthy but once home would not eat. Finally >>>>>> started eating and got to be healthy again. However, I then >>>>>> moved it and the same thing happened. I think he just really >>>>>> stresses out. >>>>>> Hope your gecko gets better! >>>>>> Sonya >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Global Gecko Association >>>>>> http://www.gekkota.com >>>>>> Classifieds >>>>>> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >>>>>> gecko mailing list >>>>>> gecko@lists.gekkota.com >>>>>> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Daavid Turnbull - daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Global Gecko Association >>>> http://www.gekkota.com >>>> Classifieds >>>> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >>>> gecko mailing list >>>> gecko@lists.gekkota.com >>>> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >>>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > -- Daavid Turnbull - daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 2 23:22:44 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Lyle Puente) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:22:44 -0400 Subject: [gecko]New gecko questions In-Reply-To: <4702BEE9.7030109@optusnet.com.au> References: <20070927.174254.22777.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com> <46FCBECD.7040404@optusnet.com.au> <1191082481.1637.1213260409@webmail.messagingengine.com> <46FEE1FB.4050505@optusnet.com.au> <470245ED.3080707@ix.netcom.com> <4702BEE9.7030109@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <85DDECEF-F7D6-4726-A128-15867676175B@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_EwUCYsbo0sn+9727GR5P6Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT thanks David! Have there ever been studies to access the damages they cause? Lyle On Oct 2, 2007, at 5:58 PM, Daavid wrote: Yeppers - Australia has 100,000's of them. The only wild camels remaining in the world. There is some move to harvest them as they have a very lean meat. Something needs to be done as their numbers are now starting to spiral even though they have been living here for over a 100 years. (They were introduced by Afghan traders and were released when other forms of transport became more convenient.) Melody Hartley wrote: > Egad -- feral camels??? > > Daavid wrote: > >> The law applies to all reptiles and amphibians (apart from >> axolotls). It is mainly about quarantine. Australia's animals >> have evolved mostly in isolation. Many of the species introduced >> with European settlement have gone feral and are out of control... >> (Cats are the worst problem, but also foxes, camels, rabbits,etc. >> etc.) The main fear is that an introduced species will bring in a >> pest that will wipe out native species. We already have OPMV and >> IBD which kill native pythons much quicker than the Boas etc. on >> which it is meant to have come in with. >> >> There is an illegal trade in exotic reptiles but the fines are >> severe and the animals are inevitably put down when encountered by >> authorities. >> >> Most of the native animals are kept on licence. We submit returns >> to the various state departments which keep track who has what >> etc. Each state has different laws but it is the feds that >> control the quarantine side of things. >> >> regards __daavid >> >> -- >> HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad. >> http://www.herpshop.com.au >> >> >> Diane Rudesal wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the advice, Daavid. That's interesting, that you can't >>> keep >>> geckos that aren't native to Australia. Does that apply to other >>> types >>> of animals as well? Is it a federal law? >>> I do have thermometers in the cage, one on each side, and since he >>> always seems to be on the warmer side, it probably is too cold >>> for him. >>> I'll have to try something else heat-wise and put another house >>> somewhere in the middle as well. >>> >>> What do you use to mist them? I think Enzo might freak out if I >>> did that >>> to him. >>> Diane >>> >>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:43:57 +1000, "Daavid" >>> said: >>> >>>> I cannot offer too much information specific to leopard geckos >>>> as we are not allowed to keep them (because they are not native >>>> to Australia) but I can offer some general advice. >>>> >>>> Temperature wise create a heat gradient from one end of the cage >>>> to the other with places to hide across the heat range. Use a >>>> thermometer to check out your temperature gradient. >>>> Do not rely on thermostat settings or guess from the output of >>>> your heat source. >>>> If your gecko is always up the hot end of the cage it is >>>> probably too cold. If he is at the cold end then it is probably >>>> too hot. If he ranges around the middle then it is probably >>>> about right. >>>> For most geckos I would be misting them from time to time. (I >>>> mist our cilarus geckos most mornings.) I am happy to see them >>>> lick the water from their faces ;-) For many species this is >>>> how they drink most of the time. >>>> >>>> regards __daavid >>>> >>>> -- >>>> HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) initiative-Just a $10 listing fee >>>> per ad. >>>> http://www.herpshop.com.au >>>> >>>> Cyndy wrote: >>>> >>>>> What wattage was the heat emitter? You might try a lower wattage. >>>>> Cyndy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- "Diane Rudesal" wrote: >>>>> Thanks for your input, Sonya. I think Enzo is getting better >>>>> now. He >>>>> seems to like the changes I made back to what he was used to. I >>>>> think a >>>>> lot of his problem was stress, as you mentioned. The sand might >>>>> not be >>>>> ideal, but he seems to prefer it since that's what he grew up >>>>> with. I >>>>> think I freaked him out a little today when I tried adding heat >>>>> above >>>>> his tank again (see my message in response to Elizabeth) but >>>>> after I >>>>> took it off again he went back in his house on the side with the >>>>> undertank heater. >>>>> Diane >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0500, "Sonya Owings" >>>>> said: >>>>> >>>>>> Diane, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am assuming that you are talking about leopard geckos. I >>>>>> agree tha tthe calci-sand is not good. The sand pieces are >>>>>> not round, they have sharp edges on them. I actually just use >>>>>> paper towels. As for the light, leopard geckos are more of a >>>>>> nocturnal gecko, they do not need a light. Do make sure that >>>>>> you have an under tank heater on one side of the tank and a >>>>>> cooler side too. They also like to have hiding places during >>>>>> the day. >>>>>> I also had trouble with a male that I bought at a reptile >>>>>> show. It seemed very healthy but once home would not eat. >>>>>> Finally started eating and got to be healthy again. However, >>>>>> I then moved it and the same thing happened. I think he just >>>>>> really stresses out. >>>>>> Hope your gecko gets better! >>>>>> Sonya >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Global Gecko Association >>>>>> http://www.gekkota.com >>>>>> Classifieds >>>>>> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >>>>>> gecko mailing list >>>>>> gecko@lists.gekkota.com >>>>>> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Daavid Turnbull - daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Global Gecko Association >>>> http://www.gekkota.com >>>> Classifieds >>>> http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi >>>> gecko mailing list >>>> gecko@lists.gekkota.com >>>> http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko >>>> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > -- Daavid Turnbull - daavid.turnbull@optusnet.com.au _______________________________________________ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list gecko@lists.gekkota.com http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko Lyle Puente http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com --Boundary_(ID_EwUCYsbo0sn+9727GR5P6Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable thanks David!
Have there = ever been studies to access the damages they cause?

Lyle


On Oct 2, = 2007, at 5:58 PM, Daavid wrote:

Yeppers - = Australia has 100,000's of them.=A0 = The only wild camels remaining in the world.=A0 There is some move to harvest = them as they have a very lean meat.=A0= Something needs to be done as their numbers are now starting to = spiral even though they have been living here for over a 100 years.=A0 (They were introduced by = Afghan traders and were released when other forms of transport became = more convenient.)

Melody Hartley wrote:
Egad -- feral = camels???

Daavid wrote:

The law = applies to all reptiles and amphibians (apart from axolotls). It is = mainly about quarantine.=A0 = Australia's animals have evolved mostly in isolation.=A0 Many of the species = introduced with European settlement have gone feral and are out of = control...(Cats are the worst problem, but also foxes, camels, = rabbits,etc. etc.)=A0 The = main fear is that an introduced species will bring in a pest that will = wipe out native species.=A0 = We already have OPMV and IBD which kill native pythons much = quicker than the Boas etc. on which it is meant to have come in = with.

There is an illegal trade in exotic reptiles but the = fines are severe and the animals are inevitably put down when = encountered by authorities.

Most of the native animals are = kept on licence.=A0 We = submit returns to the various state departments which keep track who has = what etc.=A0 Each state has = different laws but it is the feds that control the quarantine side of = things.

regards __daavid

--=A0
=A0HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) = initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.herpshop.com.au


Diane Rudesal = wrote:

=
Thanks for the advice, = Daavid. That's interesting, that you can't keep
geckos that aren't native to Australia. Does that = apply to other types
of animals as well? Is it a = federal law?
I do have thermometers in the = cage, one on each side, and since he
always seems = to be on the warmer side, it probably is too cold for him.
I'll have to try something else heat-wise and put = another house
somewhere in the middle as = well.

What do you use to mist them? I think Enzo might = freak out if I did that
to = him.
Diane

On Fri, = 28 Sep 2007 18:43:57 +1000, "Daavid"

=A0

I cannot offer too much information specific to = leopard geckos as we are not allowed to keep them (because they are not = native to Australia) but I can offer some general advice.

=A0 Use a thermometer to check = out your temperature gradient.
Do not rely = on thermostat settings or guess from the output of your heat = source.
If your gecko is always up the = hot end of the cage it is probably too cold.=A0 If he is at the cold end then = it is probably too hot.=A0 = If he ranges around the middle then it is probably about = right.
For most geckos I would be = misting them from time to time.=A0 = (I mist our cilarus geckos most mornings.)=A0 I am happy to see them lick = the water from their faces ;-)=A0 = For many species this is how they drink most of the = time.

regards __daavid

--=A0
=A0 HerpTrader-A Herp Shop(TM) = initiative-Just a $10 listing fee per ad.
=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.herpshop.com.au

Cyndy = wrote:

=A0=A0

What wattage was the heat emitter? You might try a = lower wattage.
Cyndy


-- "Diane = Rudesal" <leolover@petml.com> = wrote:
Thanks for your input, Sonya. I = think Enzo is getting better now. He
seems to like = the changes I made back to what he was used to. I think a
lot of his problem was stress, as you mentioned. The = sand might not be
ideal, but he seems to prefer it = since that's what he grew up with. I
think I = freaked him out a little today when I tried adding heat above
his tank again (see my message in response to = Elizabeth) but after I
took it off again he went = back in his house on the side with the
Diane

On Wed, = 26 Sep 2007 21:38:52 -0500, "Sonya Owings"

=A0=A0 =A0 =A0

Diane,

I am assuming that you are = talking about leopard geckos.=A0 = I agree tha tthe calci-sand is not good.=A0 The sand pieces are not = round, they have sharp edges on them.=A0 I actually just use paper = towels.=A0 As for the = light, leopard geckos are more of a nocturnal gecko, they do not need a = light.=A0 Do make sure that = you have an under tank heater on one side of the tank and a cooler side = too.=A0 They also like to = have hiding places during the day.
I also had = trouble with a male that I bought at a reptile show.=A0 It seemed very healthy but = once home would not eat.=A0 = Finally started eating and got to be healthy again.=A0 However, I then moved it and = the same thing happened.=A0 = I think=A0 he just = really stresses out.
Hope your gecko gets = better!
Sonya

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= --Boundary_(ID_EwUCYsbo0sn+9727GR5P6Q)-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 9 19:14:59 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Bruce Leroy) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gecko]Karen C From Chicago Message-ID: <166086.89433.qm@web30010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Karen Chan still around? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Oct 20 03:31:32 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gecko) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:31:32 -1000 Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue Message-ID: <47196884.50606@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090100080103010700020800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half. The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her. She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them. We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her? Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her? Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. Mahalo, Sherron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html --------------090100080103010700020800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.  The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.  We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?  Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, Sherron

 
 

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--------------090100080103010700020800-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Oct 20 21:24:50 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Sherron) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:24:50 -1000 Subject: [gecko]Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue Message-ID: <471A6412.9040905@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080500070303070205090406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't see this show up on the list, so am reposting it. Sorry if anyone gets it twice. :( We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half. The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her. She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them. We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her? Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her? Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. Mahalo, Sherron -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html --------------080500070303070205090406 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------090002070900050102020803" --------------090002070900050102020803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't see this show up on the list, so am reposting it. Sorry if anyone gets it twice. :(

We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.  The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.  We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?  Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, Sherron 



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Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com
See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html

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Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-1--137411478 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Sherron, If that is a recent photo, then it looks like your gecko is doing well -- nice shape, not very thin, some reserves on her tail. The blue is likely an anomaly - where she is not able to produce yellow pigment well. There are some examples of this seen in this species as well as Phelsuma madagascariensis grandis. The species you are talking about gets its common name from the gold/yellow coloring on its upper back. Your specimen seems to be lacking this gold/yellow feature. Yuri On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Sherron wrote: > I didn't see this show up on the list, so am reposting it. Sorry if > anyone gets it twice. :( > > We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our > kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning > blue on her forward half. The only time I have seen any of them > turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really > concerned about her. > > She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is > much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. > > We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over > our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house > geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and > water out for them. We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and > she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. > > Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there > anything I can do for her? Is there anything she particularly > needs that I could put out for her? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our > favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. > > Mahalo, Sherron > > > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) > Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale- > pohaku.com > See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html > --Apple-Mail-1--137411478 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Sherron,

If that is a recent photo, = then it looks like your gecko is doing well -- nice shape, not very = thin, some reserves on her tail. The blue is likely an anomaly - where = she is not able to produce yellow pigment well. There are some examples = of this seen in this species as well as Phelsuma madagascariensis = grandis.=A0 The species you are talking about gets its common name from = the gold/yellow coloring on its upper back. Your specimen seems to be = lacking this gold/yellow feature.

Yuri

= On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Sherron wrote:

I = didn't see this show up on the list, so am reposting it. Sorry if anyone = gets it twice. :(

We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko = who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is = suddenly turning blue on her forward half.=A0 The only time I have seen = any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am = really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is = much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks = ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in = captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, = but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost = always have papaya and water out for them.=A0 We also feed them meal = worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem = to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn = blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?=A0 Is there anything = she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help = would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has = been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, = Sherron

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= --Apple-Mail-1--137411478-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sun Oct 21 16:28:19 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:28:19 -0400 Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue In-Reply-To: <47196884.50606@gmail.com> References: <47196884.50606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C9E20E24B6B7F0-380-765F@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> ----------MB_8C9E20E24B6B7F0_380_F00E_webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need to move to Hawai'i so I can have geckos in my kitchen [jealousy] Ron -----Original Message----- From: Gecko To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.? The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her. She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.? We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?? Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her? Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. Mahalo, Sherron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9E20E24B6B7F0_380_F00E_webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I need to move to Hawai'i so I can have geckos in my kitchen [jealousy]

Ron


-----Original Message-----
From: Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com>
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm
Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue

We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.  The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.  We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?  Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, Sherron

 

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----------MB_8C9E20E24B6B7F0_380_F00E_webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sun Oct 21 16:31:40 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:31:40 -0400 Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue In-Reply-To: <47196884.50606@gmail.com> References: <47196884.50606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C9E20E9CC3DB56-380-767E@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> ----------MB_8C9E20E9CC3DB56_380_F04C_webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sherron, They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of there discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about to die. Ronald -----Original Message----- From: Gecko To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.? The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her. She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.? We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?? Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her? Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. Mahalo, Sherron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9E20E9CC3DB56_380_F04C_webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Sherron,
They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of there discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about to die.
 
Ronald


-----Original Message-----
From: Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com>
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm
Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue

We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.  The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.  We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?  Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, Sherron

 

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----------MB_8C9E20E9CC3DB56_380_F04C_webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Mon Oct 22 01:17:56 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gecko) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:17:56 -1000 Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue In-Reply-To: <8C9E20E24B6B7F0-380-765F@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> References: <47196884.50606@gmail.com> <8C9E20E24B6B7F0-380-765F@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <471BEC34.1070701@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030303060009000401010408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Ron They drive some people crazy, but we love them. Most people try to seal their houses to make them gecko-tight (and bug-tight), but we have our doors and windows open almost all the time. ;) We have about 25-30 or so "regulars" downstairs and another 20 or so upstairs, plus lots and lots on the lanais. We can only really uniquely identify the day geckos from their back patterns and occasionally the others with deformities (we have one house gecko with a forked tail). But we find babies of all three species regularly in the house, which we relocate outdoors to prevent them becoming meals for the inside day geckos. We're very happy to live in Hawaii. ;) Sherron rronster@aol.com wrote: > I need to move to Hawai'i so I can have geckos in my kitchen [jealousy] > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gecko > To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm > Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue > > We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our > kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue > on her forward half. The only time I have seen any of them turn blue > instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned > about her. > > She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much > thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. > > We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our > house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and > the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for > them. We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small > ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. > > Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there > anything I can do for her? Is there anything she particularly needs > that I could put out for her? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. > She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. > > Mahalo, Sherron > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) > Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com > See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail > ! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html --------------030303060009000401010408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Ron

They drive some people crazy, but we love them. Most people try to seal their houses to make them gecko-tight (and bug-tight), but we have our doors and windows open almost all the time. ;)

We have about 25-30 or so "regulars" downstairs and another 20 or so upstairs, plus lots and lots on the lanais. We can only really uniquely identify the day geckos from their back patterns and occasionally the others with deformities (we have one house gecko with a forked tail).  But we find babies of all three species regularly in the house, which we relocate outdoors to prevent them becoming meals for the inside day geckos.

We're very happy to live in Hawaii. ;)

Sherron

rronster@aol.com wrote:
I need to move to Hawai'i so I can have geckos in my kitchen [jealousy]

Ron


-----Original Message-----
From: Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com>
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm
Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue

We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.  The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.  We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?  Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, Sherron

 
 

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--------------030303060009000401010408-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Mon Oct 22 01:28:41 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gecko) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:28:41 -1000 Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue In-Reply-To: <8C9E20E9CC3DB56-380-767E@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> References: <47196884.50606@gmail.com> <8C9E20E9CC3DB56-380-767E@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <471BEEB9.8080702@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050500040408020202050700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Ronald Oh, I sure hope not. We've been here for over a year now and haven't seen anything like that. We've had a new neighbor move in across the street, but I don't think our geckos really go too far away from here -- they seem pretty happy to hang around with the fruit, water and meal worms we give them. She is still eating, though, which is encouraging. This morning she jumped right at me when I walked over to her and gulped down a meal worm. I have been giving her the smaller worms I usually give the really small geckos (I have been raising the meal worms myself the last few months) in case she had trouble with the larger ones. I also offered her the pupa, but she wasn't interested in them (it seems to be a learned item). I know that when I take a photo of a dead gecko, there is almost an iridescent blue to their skin that doesn't show up normally in a live gecko -- except for her. Do you know what causes that? She has been sleeping inside the last few nights, too. Up near the ceiling in the kitchen. I guess all I can do is hope she survives. :( Thanks, Sherron rronster@aol.com wrote: > Sherron, > They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from > outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of > there discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about > to die. > > Ronald > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gecko > To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm > Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue > > We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our > kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue > on her forward half. The only time I have seen any of them turn blue > instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned > about her. > > She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much > thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. > > We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our > house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and > the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for > them. We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small > ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. > > Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there > anything I can do for her? Is there anything she particularly needs > that I could put out for her? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. > She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. > > Mahalo, Sherron > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) > Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com > See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail > ! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html --------------050500040408020202050700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Ronald

Oh, I sure hope not. We've been here for over a year now and haven't seen anything like that. We've had a new neighbor move in across the street, but I don't think our geckos really go too far away from here -- they seem pretty happy to hang around with the fruit, water and meal worms we give them.

She is still eating, though, which is encouraging. This morning she jumped right at me when I walked over to her and gulped down a meal worm.  I have been giving her the smaller worms I usually give the really small geckos (I have been raising the meal worms myself the last few months) in case she had trouble with the larger ones.  I also offered her the pupa, but she wasn't interested in them (it seems to be a learned item).

I know that when I take a photo of a dead gecko, there is almost an iridescent blue to their skin that doesn't show up normally in a live gecko -- except for her. Do you know what causes that? 

She has been sleeping inside the last few nights, too. Up near the ceiling in the kitchen. I guess all I can do is hope she survives. :(

Thanks,
Sherron

rronster@aol.com wrote:
Sherron,
They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of there discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about to die.
 
Ronald


-----Original Message-----
From: Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com>
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm
Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue

We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.  The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.  We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?  Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, Sherron

 
 

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--------------050500040408020202050700-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Mon Oct 22 03:49:29 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gecko) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:49:29 -1000 Subject: [gecko]Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue In-Reply-To: References: <471A6412.9040905@gmail.com> Message-ID: <471C0FB9.4080301@gmail.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040308050303000704000403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Yuri Yes, I took it on the 18th. Last week she was all green except for her usual dusting of gold spots, blue eye ridges and red markings on her lower back. She has had the normal Phelsuma coloration & markings ever since she first showed up about 5 months ago. She usually hangs around our kitchen most of the time and has been mating with several of the males that also hang around the kitchen (our kitchen is a popular spot since they can usually entice us to give them fruit or a meal worm by looking at us with those big eyes). This is her normal coloration (taken 3 weeks ago). She seems to be healthy and hungry, though. She practically leaps towards us when we come near her and is happy to eat the meal worms and lick the fruit we give her. Thanks, Sherron Yuri Huta wrote: > Hi Sherron, > > If that is a recent photo, then it looks like your gecko is doing well > -- nice shape, not very thin, some reserves on her tail. The blue is > likely an anomaly - where she is not able to produce yellow pigment > well. There are some examples of this seen in this species as well as > Phelsuma madagascariensis grandis. The species you are talking about > gets its common name from the gold/yellow coloring on its upper back. > Your specimen seems to be lacking this gold/yellow feature. > > Yuri > > On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Sherron wrote: > >> I didn't see this show up on the list, so am reposting it. Sorry if >> anyone gets it twice. :( >> >> We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our >> kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue >> on her forward half. The only time I have seen any of them turn blue >> instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned >> about her. >> >> She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much >> thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. >> >> We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our >> house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and >> the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out >> for them. We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 >> small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. >> >> Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there >> anything I can do for her? Is there anything she particularly needs >> that I could put out for her? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. >> She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. >> >> Mahalo, Sherron >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) >> Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com >> See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html >> > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html --------------040308050303000704000403 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------090303030304030002020809" --------------090303030304030002020809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Yuri

Yes, I took it on the 18th. Last week she was all green except for her usual dusting of gold spots, blue eye ridges and red markings on her lower back. She has had the normal Phelsuma coloration &  markings ever since she first showed up about 5 months ago. She usually hangs around our kitchen most of the time and has been mating with several of the males that also hang around the kitchen (our kitchen is a popular spot since they can usually entice us to give them fruit or a meal worm by looking at us with those big eyes).
This is her normal coloration (taken 3 weeks ago).
She seems to be healthy and hungry, though. She practically leaps towards us when we come near her and is happy to eat the meal worms and lick the fruit we give her.

Thanks,
Sherron

Yuri Huta wrote:
Hi Sherron,

If that is a recent photo, then it looks like your gecko is doing well -- nice shape, not very thin, some reserves on her tail. The blue is likely an anomaly - where she is not able to produce yellow pigment well. There are some examples of this seen in this species as well as Phelsuma madagascariensis grandis.  The species you are talking about gets its common name from the gold/yellow coloring on its upper back. Your specimen seems to be lacking this gold/yellow feature.

Yuri

On Oct 20, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Sherron wrote:

I didn't see this show up on the list, so am reposting it. Sorry if anyone gets it twice. :(

We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.  The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.  We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?  Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, Sherron

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-949817495-1193062628=:36433-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Mon Oct 22 17:03:38 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:03:38 -0400 Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue In-Reply-To: <471BEEB9.8080702@gmail.com> References: <47196884.50606@gmail.com> <8C9E20E9CC3DB56-380-767E@webmail-md17.sysops.aol.com> <471BEEB9.8080702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C9E2DC3E111816-7C8-309D@WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com> ----------MB_8C9E2DC3E111816_7C8_635A_WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sherron, ??Most true?geckos (= Gekkoninae) have the ability to darken or lighten similar to some Anolis lizards, they don't actually change color, just shades, although some house geckos may have variable patterns that you can't see unless they darken or lighten.?not sure of Diplodactylines or Eublepharids can do it. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Gecko To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue Hi, Ronald Oh, I sure hope not. We've been here for over a year now and haven't seen anything like that. We've had a new neighbor move in across the street, but I don't think our geckos really go too far away from here -- they seem pretty happy to hang around with the fruit, water and meal worms we give them. She is still eating, though, which is encouraging. This morning she jumped right at me when I walked over to her and gulped down a meal worm.? I have been giving her the smaller worms I usually give the really small geckos (I have been raising the meal worms myself the last few months) in case she had trouble with the larger ones.? I also offered her the pupa, but she wasn't interested in them (it seems to be a learned item). I know that when I take a photo of a dead gecko, there is almost an iridescent blue to their skin that doesn't show up normally in a live gecko -- except for her. Do you know what causes that?? She has been sleeping inside the last few nights, too. Up near the ceiling in the kitchen. I guess all I can do is hope she survives. :( Thanks, Sherron rronster@aol.com wrote: Sherron, They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of there discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about to die. ? Ronald -----Original Message----- From: Gecko To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.? The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her. She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well. We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.? We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today. Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?? Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her? Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small. Mahalo, Sherron ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9E2DC3E111816_7C8_635A_WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sherron,
  Most true geckos (= Gekkoninae) have the ability to darken or lighten similar to some Anolis lizards, they don't actually change color, just shades, although some house geckos may have variable patterns that you can't see unless they darken or lighten. not sure of Diplodactylines or Eublepharids can do it.

Ron


-----Original Message-----
From: Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com>
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Sent: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue

Hi, Ronald

Oh, I sure hope not. We've been here for over a year now and haven't seen anything like that. We've had a new neighbor move in across the street, but I don't think our geckos really go too far away from here -- they seem pretty happy to hang around with the fruit, water and meal worms we give them.

She is still eating, though, which is encouraging. This morning she jumped right at me when I walked over to her and gulped down a meal worm.  I have been giving her the smaller worms I usually give the really small geckos (I have been raising the meal worms myself the last few months) in case she had trouble with the larger ones.  I also offered her the pupa, but she wasn't interested in them (it seems to be a learned item).

I know that when I take a photo of a dead gecko, there is almost an iridescent blue to their skin that doesn't show up normally in a live gecko -- except for her. Do you know what causes that? 

She has been sleeping inside the last few nights, too. Up near the ceiling in the kitchen. I guess all I can do is hope she survives. :(

Thanks,
Sherron

rronster@aol.com wrote:
Sherron,
They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of there discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about to die.
 
Ronald


-----Original Message-----
From: Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com>
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 7:31 pm
Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue

We have a young female Gold Dust Day Gecko who has hung around our kitchen for quite a few months now, but she is suddenly turning blue on her forward half.  The only time I have seen any of them turn blue instead of green is when they have died, so I am really concerned about her.

She still seems hungry, but is much more timid than usual and is much thinner than she was a few weeks ago and is not eating as well.

We don't have any geckos in captivity, but we have them all over our house, mostly the day geckos, but also a lot of the house geckos and the Mourning geckos, so we almost always have papaya and water out for them.  We also feed them meal worms occasionally, and she ate 3 small ones yesterday, but doesn't seem to want them today.

Does anyone know what would make her turn blue like that? Is there anything I can do for her?  Is there anything she particularly needs that I could put out for her?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as she is one of our favorites. She has been coming around ever since she was quite small.

Mahalo, Sherron

 

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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C814DA.F995CFB0-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 23 23:15:36 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Natasha Noel-Bentley) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:15:36 -0700 Subject: [gecko]Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue In-Reply-To: <37367.66.7.40.222.1193071344.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> References: <471A6412.9040905@gmail.com> <471C0FB9.4080301@gmail.com> <37367.66.7.40.222.1193071344.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> Message-ID: <7cafca980710231515t163d7a5p70f27af9e0edc47e@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_3361_8687022.1193177736814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a leopard gecko about 9 months old in captivity. I want to get her to be mor comfortable with handling, and just more comfortable around other humans. If someody comes in, she will freak out sometimes, which I assume is a good thing that shows that she is alert. I really want to make her happier to be out of her terrarium when others are around. Please help me, I really want her to be happy! ------=_Part_3361_8687022.1193177736814 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I have a leopard gecko about 9 months old in captivity. I want to get her to be mor comfortable with handling, and just more comfortable around other humans. If someody comes in, she will freak out sometimes, which I assume is a good thing that shows that she is alert. I really want to make her happier to be out of her terrarium when others are around.
Please help me, I really want her to be happy!
 
------=_Part_3361_8687022.1193177736814-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Tue Oct 23 23:23:13 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Lyle Puente) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:23:13 -0400 Subject: [gecko]Leopard gecko handling was Question on Gold Dust In-Reply-To: <7cafca980710231515t163d7a5p70f27af9e0edc47e@mail.gmail.com> References: <471A6412.9040905@gmail.com> <471C0FB9.4080301@gmail.com> <37367.66.7.40.222.1193071344.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> <7cafca980710231515t163d7a5p70f27af9e0edc47e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ACFEF64-F6A8-4C0D-9EEF-F665C55BA5D7@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_x+R6hp1qk3QN0s1L8Tcy3w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Has she ever been handled? Is she biting if you come close? On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Natasha Noel-Bentley wrote: I have a leopard gecko about 9 months old in captivity. I want to get her to be mor comfortable with handling, and just more comfortable around other humans. If someody comes in, she will freak out sometimes, which I assume is a good thing that shows that she is alert. I really want to make her happier to be out of her terrarium when others are around. Please help me, I really want her to be happy! Lyle Puente http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com --Boundary_(ID_x+R6hp1qk3QN0s1L8Tcy3w) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Has she ever been = handled?
Is she biting if you come close?


On Oct 23, = 2007, at 6:15 PM, Natasha Noel-Bentley wrote:

I have a leopard gecko about 9 = months old in captivity. I want to get her to be mor comfortable with = handling, and just more comfortable around other humans. If someody = comes in, she will freak out sometimes, which I assume is a good thing = that shows that she is alert. I really want to make her happier to be = out of her terrarium when others are around.
Please help me, = I really want her to be happy!
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= --Boundary_(ID_x+R6hp1qk3QN0s1L8Tcy3w)-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 24 14:23:41 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Gecko) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:23:41 -1000 Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue - To Cyndy In-Reply-To: <20071021.212609.5023.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071021.212609.5023.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <471F475D.1070205@gmail.com> Hi, Cyndy That's what I tell the renters who stay in our condo -- which would you rather have, roaches or cute little geckos who are much more nervous about you than you are about them? ;D We have lots of the little house geckos with the big black eyes, too. Our plain but pretty local Hawaiian ones, plus the spotted, speckled, ridged, and variously colored Mediterranean ones that have started appearing over the last 4-5 years or so. We often see the eggs in the female house geckos on the windows at night ... and frequently find eggs of all three species in our house, along with hatchings of all three, too. I've captured & relocated outside 2 house gecko hatchings, 1 Mourning gecko and 5 day geckos, just this last week. The funniest ones to watch are the light gray ones with the dark spots that arch their backs and expose their claws like Halloween cats and will even stand up to the much larger P. laticauda on our banana trees in early dusk in the race for the papaya and the meal worms! I've had to stop feeding them, as the competition has gotten too fierce in the bananas! Mahalo, Sherron Cyndy wrote: > Why would any one spray when they could have geckos instead? I loved the gex when I lived in Hawaii. We didn't have the Day geckos in 1979, the last time I was there, but the other gex were great fun. I remember one on our sliding glass door that was so small it was transparent and you could see the bugs it consumed inside it. Growing up in Hawaii is one reason I love all sorts of interesting creatures. > > > > Sherron, > They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of there discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about to die. > > Ronald > _____________________________________________________________ > Click to book your dream cruise. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifleUBf4fMCskzg3OF9vRS4k4p6qrQPjNofWm5fou8MX7lOJ/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 24 16:22:52 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Natasha Noel-Bentley) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:22:52 -0700 Subject: [gecko] Question on Gold Dust Day Gecko turning blue - To Cyndy In-Reply-To: <471F475D.1070205@gmail.com> References: <20071021.212609.5023.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <471F475D.1070205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7cafca980710240822x659a1954w26761943c3ad3ae0@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_6318_13433067.1193239372769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Sherron, Do you really have geckos all around your house? I wish that I did! Where I live, you can't find wild geckos anywhere, so I am happy with my leopard gecko, which is in captivity. I would like to see some pictures of your day gecko, I couldn't find them on your other email. I have actually never seen a gold dust day gecko. (Correct me if I spelled that wrong). I think I will call myself Gekkonidae on this list. That is the scientific word for gecko, but I am sure you already do. -Gekkonidae On 10/24/07, Gecko wrote: > > Hi, Cyndy > > That's what I tell the renters who stay in our condo -- which would you > rather have, roaches or cute little geckos who are much more nervous > about you than you are about them? ;D > > We have lots of the little house geckos with the big black eyes, too. > Our plain but pretty local Hawaiian ones, plus the spotted, speckled, > ridged, and variously colored Mediterranean ones that have started > appearing over the last 4-5 years or so. > > We often see the eggs in the female house geckos on the windows at night > ... and frequently find eggs of all three species in our house, along > with hatchings of all three, too. I've captured & relocated outside 2 > house gecko hatchings, 1 Mourning gecko and 5 day geckos, just this last > week. > > The funniest ones to watch are the light gray ones with the dark spots > that arch their backs and expose their claws like Halloween cats and > will even stand up to the much larger P. laticauda on our banana trees > in early dusk in the race for the papaya and the meal worms! I've had > to stop feeding them, as the competition has gotten too fierce in the > bananas! > > Mahalo, Sherron > > Cyndy wrote: > > Why would any one spray when they could have geckos instead? I loved the > gex when I lived in Hawaii. We didn't have the Day geckos in 1979, the last > time I was there, but the other gex were great fun. I remember one on our > sliding glass door that was so small it was transparent and you could see > the bugs it consumed inside it. Growing up in Hawaii is one reason I love > all sorts of interesting creatures. > > > > > > > > Sherron, > > They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from > outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of there > discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about to die. > > > > Ronald > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Click to book your dream cruise. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifleUBf4fMCskzg3OF9vRS4k4p6qrQPjNofWm5fou8MX7lOJ/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Global Gecko Association > > http://www.gekkota.com > > Classifieds > > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > > gecko mailing list > > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Gecko aka Sherron, Kailua Kona, Hawaii (on the Big Island of Hawaii) > Homepage: http://hale-pohaku.com/sherron - mailto:gecko@hale-pohaku.com > See our rats: http://hale-pohaku.com/dennis/ratgallery.html > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > ------=_Part_6318_13433067.1193239372769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi Sherron,
 
Do you really have geckos all around your house? I wish that I did! Where I live, you can't find wild geckos anywhere, so I am happy with my leopard gecko, which is in captivity. I would like to see some pictures of your day gecko, I couldn't find them on your other email. I have actually never seen a gold dust day gecko. (Correct me if I spelled that wrong). I think I will call myself Gekkonidae on this list. That is the scientific word for gecko, but I am sure you already do.
 
-Gekkonidae

 
On 10/24/07, Gecko <gecko.hale@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Cyndy

That's what I tell the renters who stay in our condo -- which would you
rather have, roaches or cute little geckos who are much more nervous
about you than you are about them?  ;D

We have lots of the little house geckos with the big black eyes, too.
Our plain but pretty local Hawaiian ones, plus the spotted, speckled,
ridged, and variously colored Mediterranean ones that have started
appearing over the last 4-5 years or so.

We often see the eggs in the female house geckos on the windows at night
...  and frequently find eggs of all three species in our house, along
with hatchings of all three, too. I've captured & relocated outside 2
house gecko hatchings, 1 Mourning gecko and 5 day geckos, just this last
week.

The funniest ones to watch are the light gray ones with the dark spots
that arch their backs and expose their claws like Halloween cats and
will even stand up to the much larger P. laticauda on our banana trees
in early dusk in the race for the papaya and the meal worms!  I've had
to stop feeding them, as the competition has gotten too fierce in the
bananas!

Mahalo, Sherron

Cyndy wrote:
> Why would any one spray when they could have geckos instead? I loved the gex when I lived in Hawaii. We didn't have the Day geckos in 1979, the last time I was there, but the other gex were great fun. I remember one on our sliding glass door that was so small it was transparent and you could see the bugs it consumed inside it. Growing up in Hawaii is one reason I love all sorts of interesting creatures.
>
>
>
> Sherron,
> They may be eating insects that have been treated with pesticides from outside your home [I hope not]. The coloration maybe a symptom of there discomfort, some of my house geckos darken when they are about to die.
>
> Ronald
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 -------------------------------1193244470-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Wed Oct 24 18:39:30 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Natasha Noel-Bentley) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:39:30 -0700 Subject: [gecko]Leopard gecko handling was Question on Gold Dust In-Reply-To: <8ACFEF64-F6A8-4C0D-9EEF-F665C55BA5D7@optonline.net> References: <471A6412.9040905@gmail.com> <471C0FB9.4080301@gmail.com> <37367.66.7.40.222.1193071344.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> <7cafca980710231515t163d7a5p70f27af9e0edc47e@mail.gmail.com> <8ACFEF64-F6A8-4C0D-9EEF-F665C55BA5D7@optonline.net> Message-ID: <7cafca980710241039y13cecd01h8de2f3f6a0aeabef@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_7195_22701683.1193247570992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, she is very gentle and never bites. She just seems a little timid with people, more than my friend's, who is only 4 months old! She has been handled and is pretty good now, but she still seems rather scared of anyone but me. I want her to be more comfortable with new people. On 10/23/07, Lyle Puente wrote: > > Has she ever been handled?Is she biting if you come close? > > > On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Natasha Noel-Bentley wrote: > > I have a leopard gecko about 9 months old in captivity. I want to get her > to be mor comfortable with handling, and just more comfortable around other > humans. If someody comes in, she will freak out sometimes, which I assume is > a good thing that shows that she is alert. I really want to make her happier > to be out of her terrarium when others are around. > Please help me, I really want her to be happy! > > > Lyle Puente > http://www.MyBrothersBanned.com > http://www.myspace.com/MyBrothersBanned > > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > > > ------=_Part_7195_22701683.1193247570992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, she is very gentle and never bites. She just seems a little timid with people, more than my friend's, who is only 4 months old! She has been handled and is pretty good now, but she still seems rather scared of anyone but me. I want her to be more comfortable with new people.

On 10/23/07, Lyle Puente <lylepuente@optonline.net> wrote:
Has she ever been handled?
Is she biting if you come close?


On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:15 PM, Natasha Noel-Bentley wrote:

I have a leopard gecko about 9 months old in captivity. I want to get her to be mor comfortable with handling, and just more comfortable around other humans. If someody comes in, she will freak out sometimes, which I assume is a good thing that shows that she is alert. I really want to make her happier to be out of her terrarium when others are around.
Please help me, I really want her to be happy!
 



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