From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Nov 17 01:02:16 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Steve Sykes) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:02:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [gecko]Underwoodisaurus or Nephrurus? In-Reply-To: <008b01c7c17d$d9cef400$1b01a8c0@LLDG.local> Message-ID: <412538.44670.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, Can anyone tell me current classification of Underwoodisaurus milii? Is it still in that genus? When was that species reclassified into the Nephrurus genus, and when was it removed? Was U. sphyrurus also classified into Nephrurus at the same time as U. milii? Thanks for the help! Regards, Steve Sykes www.GeckosEtc.com From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Nov 17 08:49:06 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (John Rudge) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:49:06 -0000 Subject: [gecko]Underwoodisaurus or Nephrurus? References: <412538.44670.qm@web50808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c828f6$b7c5ab70$0d0a7ad5@DBWDFY0J> For the GGA members amongst you I mentioned this in Chit-Chat Number 17. Underwoodisaurus milii is Nephrurus milii. Aaron Bauer proposed this many years ago but the most relevant recent study I know (and which I referenced in CC17) is: Melville, J., J.A. Schulte & A. Larson. 2004. A molecular study of phylogenetic relationships and evolution of antipredator strategies in Australian Diplodactylus geckos, subgenus Strophurus. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, 2004, 82: 123-128. I don't recall that that this team extracted DNA from a specimen of U. sphyrurus in their study - but I would consider it also as Nephrurus. Cheers. John John Rudge Vice President and Publications Editor Global Gecko Association www.gekkota.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sykes" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 1:02 AM Subject: [gecko]Underwoodisaurus or Nephrurus? > Hello everyone, > > Can anyone tell me current classification of Underwoodisaurus milii? Is > it still in that genus? > When was that species reclassified into the Nephrurus genus, and when was > it removed? Was U. > sphyrurus also classified into Nephrurus at the same time as U. milii? > Thanks for the help! > > Regards, > > Steve Sykes > www.GeckosEtc.com > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > gecko@lists.gekkota.com > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.33/1132 - Release Date: > 11/15/2007 9:34 AM > > From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Nov 17 14:08:00 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (argente) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:08:00 -0500 Subject: [gecko]wound care question Message-ID: ------=_Part_14503_155645.1195308481009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Late last night I discovered that one of my female leos had been bitten on the head by one of her tank mates. They've since been separated, but Ellipsis has a nasty looking wound on the top of her head (the bottom of the bite is just a scratch). I cleaned it out with betadine and applied neosporin. She's in a freshly cleaned tank by herself, on paper towels with a moist hide and her regular rock and log hides, and a fresh water dish. Cage temps are ~75 cool end, 82 warm end. She's still active. It looks like the wound has stopped bleeding. I don't think she's near shedding time, and she is otherwise healthy. Unfortunately it's my regular vet's day off and I haven't had good luck finding a reptile vet on a Saturday. Do I need to keep looking for an animal hospital that will see her today, or is there anything else I can do for her here until Monday? I've put up photos of her injury at http://www.yemenwithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0082.JPG and http://www.yemenwithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0085.JPG. Any advice appreciated. Thanks, -Jessica and Ellipsis ------=_Part_14503_155645.1195308481009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Late last night I discovered that one of my female leos had been bitten on the head by one of her tank mates.  They've since been separated, but Ellipsis has a nasty looking wound on the top of her head (the bottom of the bite is just a scratch).  I cleaned it out with betadine and applied neosporin.  She's in a freshly cleaned tank by herself, on paper towels with a moist hide and her regular rock and log hides, and a fresh water dish.  Cage temps are ~75 cool end, 82 warm end.  She's still active.  It looks like the wound has stopped bleeding.  I don't think she's near shedding time, and she is otherwise healthy.

Unfortunately it's my regular vet's day off and I haven't had good luck finding a reptile vet on a Saturday.  Do I need to keep looking for an animal hospital that will see her today, or is there anything else I can do for her here until Monday?  I've put up photos of her injury at http://www.yemenwithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0082.JPG and http://www.yemenwithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0085.JPG .  Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,

-Jessica and Ellipsis
------=_Part_14503_155645.1195308481009-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Nov 17 14:18:24 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (gecko@lists.gekkota.com) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:18:24 -0600 Subject: [gecko]wound care question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5A9CAAC47E2C5542A1D137FD514EB81404FF9C68@EXVS01.wng.chicago.hostway> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82925.5E459523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In my opinion, you have done the right thing in cleaning it and putting her into a seperate enclosure. I don't think you need to see a veterinarian. =20 Hopefully, someone will second my opinion so you will be at ease. =20 Leann ________________________________ From: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com] On Behalf Of argente Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:08 AM To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com Subject: [gecko]wound care question Late last night I discovered that one of my female leos had been bitten on the head by one of her tank mates. They've since been separated, but Ellipsis has a nasty looking wound on the top of her head (the bottom of the bite is just a scratch). I cleaned it out with betadine and applied neosporin. She's in a freshly cleaned tank by herself, on paper towels with a moist hide and her regular rock and log hides, and a fresh water dish. Cage temps are ~75 cool end, 82 warm end. She's still active. It looks like the wound has stopped bleeding. I don't think she's near shedding time, and she is otherwise healthy.=20 Unfortunately it's my regular vet's day off and I haven't had good luck finding a reptile vet on a Saturday. Do I need to keep looking for an animal hospital that will see her today, or is there anything else I can do for her here until Monday? I've put up photos of her injury at http://www.yemenwithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0082.JPG and http://www.yemenwithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0085.JPG . Any advice appreciated. Thanks, -Jessica and Ellipsis ------_=_NextPart_001_01C82925.5E459523 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In my opinion, you have done the right thing in = cleaning it=20 and putting her into a seperate enclosure.  I don't think you need = to see a=20 veterinarian.
 
Hopefully, someone will second my opinion so = you will be at=20 ease.
 
Leann

From: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com=20 [mailto:gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com] On Behalf Of=20 argente
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:08 = AM
To:=20 gecko@lists.gekkota.com
Subject: [gecko]wound care=20 question

Late last night I discovered that one of my female leos had = been=20 bitten on the head by one of her tank mates.  They've since been = separated,=20 but Ellipsis has a nasty looking wound on the top of her head (the = bottom of the=20 bite is just a scratch).  I cleaned it out with betadine and = applied=20 neosporin.  She's in a freshly cleaned tank by herself, on paper = towels=20 with a moist hide and her regular rock and log hides, and a fresh water=20 dish.  Cage temps are ~75 cool end, 82 warm end.  She's still=20 active.  It looks like the wound has stopped bleeding.  I = don't think=20 she's near shedding time, and she is otherwise healthy. =

Unfortunately=20 it's my regular vet's day off and I haven't had good luck finding a = reptile vet=20 on a Saturday.  Do I need to keep looking for an animal hospital = that will=20 see her today, or is there anything else I can do for her here until=20 Monday?  I've put up photos of her injury at http://www.yemen= withtoast.com/knit/IMG_0082.JPG=20 and http://www.yemen= withtoast.com/knit/IMG_0085.JPG=20 .  Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,

-Jessica and=20 Ellipsis
------_=_NextPart_001_01C82925.5E459523-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Nov 17 14:24:13 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (Lyle Puente) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:24:13 -0500 Subject: [gecko]wound care question In-Reply-To: <5A9CAAC47E2C5542A1D137FD514EB81404FF9C68@EXVS01.wng.chicago.hostway> References: <5A9CAAC47E2C5542A1D137FD514EB81404FF9C68@EXVS01.wng.chicago.hostway> Message-ID: <9DC99E04-EE3A-4F6B-A701-2C03CC2F6003@optonline.net> --Boundary_(ID_QDFErXmNczMWEaku4LyNPw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I agree with Leann, I often use super glue to close a wound like that, It may flap down and eventually fall off. Super glue will bond the skin instantly. I would keep a close eye for infection and give the vet a call monday morning On Nov 17, 2007, at 9:18 AM, leann@daygecko.com wrote: > In my opinion, you have done the right thing in cleaning it and > putting her into a seperate enclosure. I don't think you need to > see a veterinarian. > > Hopefully, someone will second my opinion so you will be at ease. > > Leann > > From: gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko- > admin@lists.gekkota.com] On Behalf Of argente > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:08 AM > To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com > Subject: [gecko]wound care question > > Late last night I discovered that one of my female leos had been > bitten on the head by one of her tank mates. They've since been > separated, but Ellipsis has a nasty looking wound on the top of her > head (the bottom of the bite is just a scratch). I cleaned it out > with betadine and applied neosporin. She's in a freshly cleaned > tank by herself, on paper towels with a moist hide and her regular > rock and log hides, and a fresh water dish. Cage temps are ~75 > cool end, 82 warm end. She's still active. It looks like the > wound has stopped bleeding. I don't think she's near shedding > time, and she is otherwise healthy. > > Unfortunately it's my regular vet's day off and I haven't had good > luck finding a reptile vet on a Saturday. Do I need to keep > looking for an animal hospital that will see her today, or is there > anything else I can do for her here until Monday? I've put up > photos of her injury at http://www.yemenwithtoast.com/knit/ > IMG_0082.JPG and http://www.yemenwithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0085.JPG . > Any advice appreciated. > > Thanks, > > -Jessica and Ellipsis Lyle Puente Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com My Brothers Banned http://mybrothersbanned.com http://www.myspace.com/mybrothersbanned --Boundary_(ID_QDFErXmNczMWEaku4LyNPw) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Leann,
I often = use super glue to close a wound like that, It may flap down and = eventually fall off. Super glue will bond the skin instantly. I would = keep a close eye for infection and give the vet a call monday = morning



On Nov 17, = 2007, at 9:18 AM, leann@daygecko.com = wrote:

In my opinion, you have done the right thing in cleaning it = and putting her into a seperate enclosure.=A0 I don't think you need to = see a veterinarian.
=A0
Hopefully, someone will second my opinion = so you will be at ease.
=A0
Leann

=
From: = gecko-admin@lists.gekkota.com [mailto:gecko-admin@lists.gek= kota.com] On Behalf Of argente
Sent: Saturday, = November 17, 2007 8:08 AM
To: gecko@lists.gekkota.com
= Subject: [gecko]wound care question

=
Late last night I discovered that one of my female leos had = been bitten on the head by one of her tank mates.=A0 They've since been = separated, but Ellipsis has a nasty looking wound on the top of her head = (the bottom of the bite is just a scratch).=A0 I cleaned it out with = betadine and applied neosporin.=A0 She's in a freshly cleaned tank by = herself, on paper towels with a moist hide and her regular rock and log = hides, and a fresh water dish.=A0 Cage temps are ~75 cool end, 82 warm = end.=A0 She's still active.=A0 It looks like the wound has stopped = bleeding.=A0 I don't think she's near shedding time, and she is = otherwise healthy.

Unfortunately it's my regular vet's day off = and I haven't had good luck finding a reptile vet on a Saturday.=A0 Do I = need to keep looking for an animal hospital that will see her today, or = is there anything else I can do for her here until Monday?=A0 I've put = up photos of her injury at http://www.yemenw= ithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0082.JPG and http://www.yemenw= ithtoast.com/knit/IMG_0085.JPG .=A0 Any advice = appreciated.

Thanks,

-Jessica and = Ellipsis

Lyle Puente
Global Gecko = Association

My = Brothers Banned
=
=

= --Boundary_(ID_QDFErXmNczMWEaku4LyNPw)-- From gecko@lists.gekkota.com Sat Nov 17 15:37:36 2007 From: gecko@lists.gekkota.com (argente) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:37:36 -0500 Subject: [gecko]Re: wound care question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ------=_Part_14634_32581923.1195313856350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thank you Lyle and Leann! I have a vet appointment for one of my other girls on Monday anyway so I will bring Ellipsis in to get checked out too. I appreciate the reassurance. -Jessica I agree with Leann, > I often use super glue to close a wound like that, It may flap down > and eventually fall off. Super glue will bond the skin instantly. I > would keep a close eye for infection and give the vet a call monday > morning > > > > On Nov 17, 2007, at 9:18 AM, leann@daygecko.com wrote: > > > In my opinion, you have done the right thing in cleaning it and > > putting her into a seperate enclosure. I don't think you need to > > see a veterinarian. > > > > Hopefully, someone will second my opinion so you will be at ease. > > > > Leann > > > > ------=_Part_14634_32581923.1195313856350 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thank you Lyle and Leann!  I have a vet appointment for one of my other girls on Monday anyway so I will bring Ellipsis in to get checked out too.  I appreciate the reassurance.

-Jessica

I agree with Leann,
I often use super glue to close a wound like that, It may flap down
and eventually fall off. Super glue will bond the skin instantly. I
would keep a close eye for infection and give the vet a call monday
morning



On Nov 17, 2007, at 9:18 AM, leann@daygecko.com wrote:

> In my opinion, you have done the right thing in cleaning it and
> putting her into a seperate enclosure. I don't think you need to
> see a veterinarian.
>
> Hopefully, someone will second my opinion so you will be at ease.
>
> Leann
>


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