[gecko]re: speaking of gout...
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Jessica ~
By the way, does Carrots have her own digs? That might be a good idea to
eliminate any competition for food since she is the smallest.
Elizabeth
> Subj:Re: [gecko]re: speaking of gout...
> Date:8/23/07 12:44:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
> From: ElizabethFreer@aol.com
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> Jessica ~
>
> I am saddened to hear that Peanut passed away. Do you know how old he was?
> May your little friend rest in peace.
>
> I hope that you have gotten to Carrots' issues in time. What type of food
> are you using for the syringe feeding? Apparently Carrots is tolerating
> those?
>
> Just curious to hear what type of fish flakes you had been gutloading with.
> For part of my gutload for the older crickets I used to add TetraMin
> Tropical Fish Flakes, The Rich Mix, sometimes. When my male leopard gecko Rocky
> died gout consumed his body. He still maintained a "healthy" weight. The fish
> flakes were the only dietary thing I could trace a problem to. Earlier I did
> have a flying gecko die from stress and also from gout ("fatty liver
> disease"). At that time I was sometimes using puppy, kitten, dog, and cat food
> samples as a sometimes partial gutload for the crickets. Never do that either!!
> The samples ranged from 16%-21% minimum crude fat and the TetraMin has 8%
> min crude fat and 46% min crude protein. I have ceased doing both those things
> and now use Fluker Farms' High-Calcium Cricket Food, alfalfa hay (Hay-Kob),
> and oatmeal. Occasionally I'll add collard greens, carrots, zucchini.
>
> Perhaps some geckos are more susceptible to gout than others. But,
> definitely, they are what they eat.
>
> I appreciate you keeping the List informed.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> >> Subj:[gecko]re: speaking of gout...
>> Date:8/22/07 10:16:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>> From: argente@gmail.com (argente)
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>> Hi Elizabeth,
>>
>> Peanut didn't make it - he passed away last week, hopefully in his sleep.
>> The vet is performing a necropsy but I won't have any answers from that for
>> another week or so. Three of the girls are behaving normally and eating
>> well. I'm still worried about my other girl Carrots though. She has always
>> been the quiet littlest one and her tail has gotten pretty skinny. I've been
>> syringe feeding her since she shows no interest in worms or crickets and am
>> waiting to hear back from the vet on her blood work. I really hope that
>> we've caught whatever it is in time to get her healthy. Thanks for your
>> concern.
>>
>> -Jessica
>>
>>
>> >>> Jessica ~
>>>
>>> How are you and Peanut doing? Have you heard other particulars from the
>>> vet?
>>> I am sorry about Peanut's gout. I don't know whether that is a one way
>>> street.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Elizabeth
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dea to eliminate any competition for food since she is the smallest.
<BR>
<BR>Elizabeth
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<BR>Date:8/23/07 12:44:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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ANG=3D"0">Jessica ~=20
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<BR>I am saddened to hear that Peanut passed away. Do you know how old=
he was? May your little friend rest in peace.=20
<BR>
<BR>I hope that you have gotten to Carrots' issues in time. What type=20=
of food are you using for the syringe feeding? Apparently Carrots is t=
olerating those?
<BR>
<BR>Just curious to hear what type of fish flakes you had been gutloading wi=
th. For part of my gutload for the older crickets I <B><I>used to</B><=
/I> add TetraMin Tropical Fish Flakes, The Rich Mix, sometimes. When m=
y male leopard gecko Rocky died gout consumed his body. He still maint=
ained a "healthy" weight. The fish flakes were the only dietary thing=20=
I could trace a problem to. Earlier I did have a flying gecko die from=
stress and also from gout ("fatty liver disease"). <B><I>At that time=
I was sometimes</B></I> using puppy, kitten, dog, and cat food samples as a=
sometimes partial gutload for the crickets. <B>Never do that either!!=
</B> The samples ranged from 16%-21% minimum crude fat and the TetraMi=
n has 8% min crude fat and 46% min crude protein. I have ceased doing=20=
both those things and now use Fluker Farms' High-Calcium Cricket Food, alfal=
fa hay (Hay-Kob), and oatmeal. Occasionally I'll add collard greens, c=
arrots, zucchini.=20
<BR>
<BR>Perhaps some geckos are more susceptible to gout than others. But,=
definitely, they are what they eat.=20
<BR>
<BR>I appreciate you keeping the List informed.=20
<BR>
<BR>Elizabeth=20
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<BR>Date:8/22/07 10:16:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time=20
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<BR>Hi Elizabeth,=20
<BR>
<BR>Peanut didn't make it - he passed away last week, hopefully in his sleep=
. The vet is performing a necropsy but I won't have any answers from t=
hat for another week or so. Three of the girls are behaving normally a=
nd eating well. I'm still worried about my other girl Carrots though.=20=
She has always been the quiet littlest one and her tail has gotten pre=
tty skinny. I've been syringe feeding her since she shows no interest=20=
in worms or crickets and am waiting to hear back from the vet on her blood w=
ork. I really hope that we've caught whatever it is in time to get her=
healthy. Thanks for your concern.=20
<BR>
<BR>-Jessica=20
<BR>
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LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Jessica ~=20
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<BR>How are you and Peanut doing? Have you heard other particulars fro=
m the vet?=20
<BR>I am sorry about Peanut's gout. I don't know whether that is a one=
way=20
<BR>street.=20
<BR>
<BR>Elizabeth</BLOCKQUOTE>
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