[gecko]speaking of gout...
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Jessica ~
Sorry to hear about Peanut. There is a moist pellet food called Insectivore
Fare especially for insectivorous animals and often available in one pound
size bags from your vet. Zoos often use this. It is manufactured by Reliable
Protein Products. Water can be added to achieve the consistency you need.
Sorry that I don't have the link. I am unfamiliar with Carnivore Care.
When my male leopard died from severe gout a couple years ago the only thing
I could trace an abundance to was the 48% protein in the Tetramin Fish Flakes
I occasionally fed the crickets. I think I read that fish flakes was also
part of your insect gutload. For some reason, my male leopard succumbed to gout,
yet my female did not and is doing well to this day. I did notice his
lethargy and not eating. Rocky was way too big for his water dish!
The more we know the better we can care for our critters!
Elizabeth
> Subj:[gecko]speaking of gout...
> Date:8/16/07 3:37:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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> I just got back from the entire crew's trip to the vet. First the good
> news: the girls all seem to be fine, just jumpy from the move. He took a blood
> sample from Carrots just to be sure, since she is the most subdued. Rocky is
> on the other end of the spectrum, waving her tail and running about
> frantically. On inspection they all look healthy so unless Carrots' tests show
> something it's back to business as usual with the girls. I'll have results on
> Monday. Someone (either Rocky, Ellipsis, or Smiley) regurgitated some worms on
> the way home though.
>
> Now the not good news. Peanut has a very high white blood cell count and
> major signs of kidney disease. The vet thinks it's a particular kind of gout
> where crystals enter the tissue (I forget the name he said). He also has
> pinworms. Vet prescribed Fortaz, with subcutaenous injections every other day,
> which I'm not looking forward to doing. Peanut's weight was down from 84g to
> 76g since Monday (he hasn't eaten anything in that span) so I'll also start
> syringe feeding him Carnivore Care. He's even more listless and I'm really
> worried about him by the vet was pretty optimistic. We go in for a follow-up
> on Tuesday. If he's not doing any better by then we will revisit crypto as a
> possibility. My vet doesn't like to test for it since he feels the test is
> unreliable enough to be useless. If the current treatment doesn't help I'm
> going to insist on the test anyway.
>
> In the meantime I will switch my mealworms to a different gutload (or at
> least start the transition since picking them all out of their current bedding
> is pretty impossible). Can they live in the Repashy diet or do they need to
> be taken out and gutloaded separately before feeding?
>
> Thanks to everyone for your helpful and hopeful comments. I feel much
> better knowing that I have a panel of experts helping me along.
>
>
Elizabeth
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<BR>Sorry to hear about Peanut. There is a moist pellet food called In=
sectivore Fare especially for insectivorous animals and often available in o=
ne pound size bags from your vet. Zoos often use this. It is man=
ufactured by Reliable Protein Products. Water can be added to achieve=20=
the consistency you need. Sorry that I don't have the link. I am=
unfamiliar with Carnivore Care.=20
<BR>
<BR>When my male leopard died from severe gout a couple years ago the only t=
hing I could trace an abundance to was the 48% protein in the Tetramin Fish=20=
Flakes I occasionally fed the crickets. I think I read that fish flake=
s was also part of your insect gutload. For some reason, my male leopa=
rd succumbed to gout, yet my female did not and is doing well to this day. &=
nbsp;I did notice his lethargy and not eating. Rocky was way too big f=
or his water dish!
<BR>
<BR>The more we know the better we can care for our critters!
<BR>
<BR>Elizabeth
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<BR>Date:8/16/07 3:37:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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<BR>I just got back from the entire crew's trip to the vet. First the=20=
good news: the girls all seem to be fine, just jumpy from the move. &n=
bsp;He took a blood sample from Carrots just to be sure, since she is the mo=
st subdued. Rocky is on the other end of the spectrum, waving her tail=
and running about frantically. On inspection they all look healthy so=
unless Carrots' tests show something it's back to business as usual with th=
e girls. I'll have results on Monday. Someone (either Rocky, Ell=
ipsis, or Smiley) regurgitated some worms on the way home though.=20
<BR>
<BR>Now the not good news. Peanut has a very high white blood cell cou=
nt and major signs of kidney disease. The vet thinks it's a particular=
kind of gout where crystals enter the tissue (I forget the name he said). &=
nbsp;He also has pinworms. Vet prescribed Fortaz, with subcutaenous in=
jections every other day, which I'm not looking forward to doing. Pean=
ut's weight was down from 84g to 76g since Monday (he hasn't eaten anything=20=
in that span) so I'll also start syringe feeding him Carnivore Care. H=
e's even more listless and I'm really worried about him by the vet was prett=
y optimistic. We go in for a follow-up on Tuesday. If he's not d=
oing any better by then we will revisit crypto as a possibility. My ve=
t doesn't like to test for it since he feels the test is unreliable enough t=
o be useless. If the current treatment doesn't help I'm going to insis=
t on the test anyway.=20
<BR>
<BR>In the meantime I will switch my mealworms to a different gutload (or at=
least start the transition since picking them all out of their current bedd=
ing is pretty impossible). Can they live in the Repashy diet or do the=
y need to be taken out and gutloaded separately before feeding?=20
<BR>
<BR>Thanks to everyone for your helpful and hopeful comments. I feel m=
uch better knowing that I have a panel of experts helping me along.
<BR>
<BR>-Jessica</BLOCKQUOTE>
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